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Offline Sunny

Re: Parenting.
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2018, 06:50:00 AM »
It's a fact that poor children have less chance of doing well in school than middle class children, but that isn't because they are less able, it's because the educational system favours the middle class child.
https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/2018/mar/02/working-class-children-born-to-fail-teachers-disadvantaged-pupils

I have always felt that the main problem is that parents from poorer backgrounds don't expect their children to do well so don't encourage and help their children in their studies.  This is not a criticism of the parents only stating a fact as I have personal knowledge of this.   Sadly as the parents have not achieved a highly skilled and highly paid job they don't expect their offspring to do so.

There are exceptions and I know of one or two young people who have proved this too.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Parenting.
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2018, 11:02:21 AM »

I believe compulsory sterilization has already been tried. and is still being implemented in some cultures.

Blimey am I beginning to sound like Margaret Sanger?   8(8-))
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Parenting.
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2018, 11:05:10 AM »
It's a fact that poor children have less chance of doing well in school than middle class children, but that isn't because they are less able, it's because the educational system favours the middle class child.
https://www.theguardian.com/teacher-network/2018/mar/02/working-class-children-born-to-fail-teachers-disadvantaged-pupils

It's also a fact that children brought up by parents with 'attitude' do less well too!
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Parenting.
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2018, 11:18:24 AM »
I have always felt that the main problem is that parents from poorer backgrounds don't expect their children to do well so don't encourage and help their children in their studies.  This is not a criticism of the parents only stating a fact as I have personal knowledge of this.   Sadly as the parents have not achieved a highly skilled and highly paid job they don't expect their offspring to do so.

There are exceptions and I know of one or two young people who have proved this too.

I'm currently reading 'Becoming' by Michelle Obama nee Robinson.  Her parents were working class people who lived in a rented apartment in a poor area of Chicago.  However they encouraged their children, Michelle and her older brother Craig, to aim high.  Both ended up at Princeton Uni with Craig going into investment banking and Michelle law.



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Online G-Unit

Re: Parenting.
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2018, 11:41:07 AM »
It's also a fact that children brought up by parents with 'attitude' do less well too!

Any teacher will favour a compliant child to a challenging one. I was a mature student and the middle class youngsters wouldn't speak in seminars. It became clear to me that they saw their role as accepting, learning and regurgitating what they were taught rather than thinking and forming opinions about it. That's fine for some subjects, but this was a Politics degree!
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Parenting.
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2018, 12:30:38 PM »
Any teacher will favour a compliant child to a challenging one. I was a mature student and the middle class youngsters wouldn't speak in seminars. It became clear to me that they saw their role as accepting, learning and regurgitating what they were taught rather than thinking and forming opinions about it. That's fine for some subjects, but this was a Politics degree!

But there's challenging and there's challenging!
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Offline Caroline

Re: Parenting.
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2019, 03:57:20 PM »
But should it?! 

Listening to Radio 4 this morning it seems many baby banks are now springing up which work along the same lines as food banks. 

In the following article Bianca, mum of 2, says she feels embarrassed by having to use such a facility and yet she is pregnant with her third child.  I don't wish to sound horribly judgmental or a right wing zealot but why would you want to bring a third child into the world if you're relying on charity to support your existing two?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thousands-desperate-parents-relying-baby-13489511

Wow Holly! She also states that she works FULL TIME. Don't you think it disgusting that someone who works full time is STILL affected by poverty? 

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Re: Parenting.
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2019, 05:27:02 PM »
Wow Holly! She also states that she works FULL TIME. Don't you think it disgusting that someone who works full time is STILL affected by poverty?


Yes, I do!

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Parenting.
« Reply #38 on: January 13, 2019, 08:27:10 PM »
Wow Holly! She also states that she works FULL TIME. Don't you think it disgusting that someone who works full time is STILL affected by poverty?

Bringing up children isn't cheap.  From memory the case we are referring to involves a woman with two children and a third on the way.  We have reliable and free contraception in the UK if you can't afford children don't have them and/or don't complain if you have to turn to charity to support them.

The average earned income in UK is 27k/28k pa.  By comparison Neymar Jnr earns some 775k per week and this is for playing football only ie doesn't include sponsorship's etc.  He can pretty much afford to have whatever money can buy and no doubt has several homes/cars.  Someone earning 27k/28k pa doesn't have the luxury of choosing whether or not to have several homes/cars.  I really don't see the difference with children? 

I believe in a living wage as opposed to a minimum wage and think it's unreasonable that anyone in UK should be expected to work for less than about ten pound an hour.   
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Online G-Unit

Re: Parenting.
« Reply #39 on: January 14, 2019, 11:16:49 AM »
Bringing up children isn't cheap.  From memory the case we are referring to involves a woman with two children and a third on the way.  We have reliable and free contraception in the UK if you can't afford children don't have them and/or don't complain if you have to turn to charity to support them.

The average earned income in UK is 27k/28k pa.  By comparison Neymar Jnr earns some 775k per week and this is for playing football only ie doesn't include sponsorship's etc.  He can pretty much afford to have whatever money can buy and no doubt has several homes/cars.  Someone earning 27k/28k pa doesn't have the luxury of choosing whether or not to have several homes/cars.  I really don't see the difference with children? 

I believe in a living wage as opposed to a minimum wage and think it's unreasonable that anyone in UK should be expected to work for less than about ten pound an hour.

So only those who are lucky enough to earn a decent wage should have children? So what of those who earn a decent wage, have children and then have an life limiting accident or illness? What about those already existing children? Should they send them back, abandon them or what?
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Re: Parenting.
« Reply #40 on: January 14, 2019, 06:24:19 PM »
So only those who are lucky enough to earn a decent wage should have children? So what of those who earn a decent wage, have children and then have an life limiting accident or illness? What about those already existing children? Should they send them back, abandon them or what?
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Offline John

Re: Parenting.
« Reply #41 on: January 17, 2019, 05:52:52 PM »
Bringing up children isn't cheap.  From memory the case we are referring to involves a woman with two children and a third on the way.  We have reliable and free contraception in the UK if you can't afford children don't have them and/or don't complain if you have to turn to charity to support them.

The average earned income in UK is 27k/28k pa.  By comparison Neymar Jnr earns some 775k per week and this is for playing football only ie doesn't include sponsorship's etc.  He can pretty much afford to have whatever money can buy and no doubt has several homes/cars.  Someone earning 27k/28k pa doesn't have the luxury of choosing whether or not to have several homes/cars.  I really don't see the difference with children? 

I believe in a living wage as opposed to a minimum wage and think it's unreasonable that anyone in UK should be expected to work for less than about ten pound an hour.

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Offline Caroline

Re: Parenting.
« Reply #42 on: January 17, 2019, 08:55:36 PM »
Bringing up children isn't cheap.  From memory the case we are referring to involves a woman with two children and a third on the way.  We have reliable and free contraception in the UK if you can't afford children don't have them and/or don't complain if you have to turn to charity to support them.

The average earned income in UK is 27k/28k pa.  By comparison Neymar Jnr earns some 775k per week and this is for playing football only ie doesn't include sponsorship's etc.  He can pretty much afford to have whatever money can buy and no doubt has several homes/cars.  Someone earning 27k/28k pa doesn't have the luxury of choosing whether or not to have several homes/cars.  I really don't see the difference with children? 

I believe in a living wage as opposed to a minimum wage and think it's unreasonable that anyone in UK should be expected to work for less than about ten pound an hour.

There are just SOOOOOOOO many thing wrong with that attitude!