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Online Eleanor

2019.
« on: January 03, 2019, 06:23:44 PM »

Does anyone think that there might be a Resolution this year?

Madeleine will be 16 years old, if she is still alive.  Could this change things?

Offline jassi

Re: 2019.
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2019, 06:57:29 PM »
Anything is possible, but I don't see the significance of her possible being sixteen.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -   11 years and still no solution.

Online Eleanor

Re: 2019.
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2019, 07:01:40 PM »
Anything is possible, but I don't see the significance of her possible being sixteen.

Only Madeleine's permission would be required to do a DNA Test.

Offline jassi

Re: 2019.
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2019, 07:02:46 PM »
Only Madeleine's permission would be required to do a DNA Test.

I'm sure that is not universally true throughout the world.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -   11 years and still no solution.

Online Eleanor

Re: 2019.
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2019, 07:03:47 PM »
I'm sure that is not universally true throughout the world.

Do you know where it would not be true?  This might help.

Offline jassi

Re: 2019.
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2019, 07:08:41 PM »
No, but I can give you this link to age of majority - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_majority
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -   11 years and still no solution.

Offline Brietta

Re: 2019.
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2019, 08:18:05 PM »
Does anyone think that there might be a Resolution this year?

Madeleine will be 16 years old, if she is still alive.  Could this change things?

I think the one thing we can surmise in the absence of any information to the contrary is that there is still some mileage in the investigation into Madeleine's investigation.

There are also more and more areas of the world where indigenous security forces cannot operate without enormous risk and where it is next to impossible to apprehend suspected wrongdoers or repatriate their victims.

If Madeleine is known to be alive it could be a very convoluted process to get her back without compromising her safety, or even if it is possible to negotiate for her.

In too many of the countries to which I refer women of any age have no rights.  Therefore if reaching her majority enabled Madeleine to exercise her rights ... that would I think, indicate that she was already in a country with laws which would enable her to be accessed lawfully could be applied.

I think her whereabouts are either known or strongly suspected but they just cannot get to her.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Faithlilly

Re: 2019.
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2019, 10:45:12 PM »
I think the one thing we can surmise in the absence of any information to the contrary is that there is still some mileage in the investigation into Madeleine's investigation.

There are also more and more areas of the world where indigenous security forces cannot operate without enormous risk and where it is next to impossible to apprehend suspected wrongdoers or repatriate their victims.

If Madeleine is known to be alive it could be a very convoluted process to get her back without compromising her safety, or even if it is possible to negotiate for her.

In too many of the countries to which I refer women of any age have no rights.  Therefore if reaching her majority enabled Madeleine to exercise her rights ... that would I think, indicate that she was already in a country with laws which would enable her to be accessed lawfully could be applied.

I think her whereabouts are either known or strongly suspected but they just cannot get to her.

OG havenít issued a photo fit in over 5 years. Neither have they made any requests for information. That suggests to me that they are working on the premise that she is no longer alive.
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Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
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Offline Brietta

Re: 2019.
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2019, 11:26:43 PM »
OG havenít issued a photo fit in over 5 years. Neither have they made any requests for information. That suggests to me that they are working on the premise that she is no longer alive.

I am presuming you are referring to updated images of Madeleine and not to photo fits of suspects.

You seem to go for the pessimism of the half empty glass ...

If investigators know where Madeleine is ... what would be the necessity to commission and issue age progressed images of her or photo fits of suspects holding her?

Since no information has been given regarding Madeleine's status either way ... my preference is for the optimism of the half full glass.

The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Faithlilly

Re: 2019.
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2019, 11:46:10 PM »
I am presuming you are referring to updated images of Madeleine and not to photo fits of suspects.

You seem to go for the pessimism of the half empty glass ...

If investigators know where Madeleine is ... what would be the necessity to commission and issue age progressed images of her or photo fits of suspects holding her?

Since no information has been given regarding Madeleine's status either way ... my preference is for the optimism of the half full glass.

And that is your prerogative. I, however, prefer to be more realistic.
Moral Guilt
Detractors of the work of our British Police in bringing criminals to justice generally ignore the important distinction between moral proof and legal evidence of guilt. In not a few cases that are popularly classed with 'unsolved mysteries of crime,' the offender is known, but evidence is wanting. If, for example, in- a recent murder case of special notoriety and interest,* certain human remains had not been found in a cellar, a great crime would have been catalogued among `Police failures'; and yet, even without the evidence which sent the murderer to the gallows, the moral proof of his guilt would have been full and clear.
Robert Anderson

Online Vertigo Swirl

Re: 2019.
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2019, 11:47:31 PM »
And that is your prerogative. I, however, prefer to be more realistic.
Says the woman with a most unrealistic theory as to what happened that night.
"Oh dear. Madeleine McCann trending. That's twitterspeak for 'And now, the absolute worst of humanity.'" -
David Baddiel

Online Eleanor

Re: 2019.
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2019, 09:58:45 AM »

I am thinking on the assumption that up until a certain age, parents have a right to refuse a DNA Test.

Also that you cannot simply go and snatch a child from the streets without proof.  DNA obtained by stealth wouldn't do because there would be no chain of evidence.

Online G-Unit

Re: 2019.
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2019, 11:37:59 AM »
As I have said before, if OG have hard evidence most foreign police forces would investigate if requested. Clandestinely approaching a young person to give DNA without her family's knowledge and approval is beyond the pale in my opinion.
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Online Vertigo Swirl

Re: 2019.
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2019, 11:58:01 AM »
As I have said before, if OG have hard evidence most foreign police forces would investigate if requested. Clandestinely approaching a young person to give DNA without her family's knowledge and approval is beyond the pale in my opinion.
What if they're not her family though?
"Oh dear. Madeleine McCann trending. That's twitterspeak for 'And now, the absolute worst of humanity.'" -
David Baddiel

Offline jassi

Re: 2019.
« Reply #14 on: January 04, 2019, 12:00:15 PM »
What if they're not her family though?

That would have to be proved before the DNA could be taken. Until then, they would be assumed to be the parents.

Sounds like Catch 22
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -   11 years and still no solution.