Author Topic: Would a second referendum or peoples vote achieve anything?  (Read 1943 times)

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Offline Carana

Re: Would a second referendum or peoples vote achieve anything?
« Reply #90 on: February 03, 2019, 09:34:58 AM »
Did those who campaigned for remaining in the EU told the truth?

None that I can recall. Can you think of any?

Online G-Unit

Re: Would a second referendum or peoples vote achieve anything?
« Reply #91 on: February 03, 2019, 10:29:38 AM »
None that I can recall. Can you think of any?

Did you mean lies?

"A dangerous fantasy" is how Nick Clegg described Nigel Farage's claim of EU plans to create an army. Barely three months on from the Referendum, Juncker has proposed an EU Army.

David Cameron said he wouldn't resign as Prime Minister if he lost the Referendum vote.

Universities wanted the UK to remain in the EU because leaving would result in Horizon 2020 funding disappearing. Our new Chancellor, Philip Hammond, has agreed to keep this funding in place

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/leave-lies-remainers-need_b_12191462.html
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Offline Davel

Re: Would a second referendum or peoples vote achieve anything?
« Reply #92 on: February 03, 2019, 10:44:31 AM »
Did you mean lies?

"A dangerous fantasy" is how Nick Clegg described Nigel Farage's claim of EU plans to create an army. Barely three months on from the Referendum, Juncker has proposed an EU Army.

David Cameron said he wouldn't resign as Prime Minister if he lost the Referendum vote.

Universities wanted the UK to remain in the EU because leaving would result in Horizon 2020 funding disappearing. Our new Chancellor, Philip Hammond, has agreed to keep this funding in place

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/leave-lies-remainers-need_b_12191462.html

di Cameron deliberately mislead and say he would not resign when he knew he would...chainging his mind is not telling  a lie...
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Offline Carana

Re: Would a second referendum or peoples vote achieve anything?
« Reply #93 on: February 03, 2019, 10:46:35 AM »
Did you mean lies?

"A dangerous fantasy" is how Nick Clegg described Nigel Farage's claim of EU plans to create an army. Barely three months on from the Referendum, Juncker has proposed an EU Army.

David Cameron said he wouldn't resign as Prime Minister if he lost the Referendum vote.

Universities wanted the UK to remain in the EU because leaving would result in Horizon 2020 funding disappearing. Our new Chancellor, Philip Hammond, has agreed to keep this funding in place

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/matthew-ellery/leave-lies-remainers-need_b_12191462.html

The "EU army" thing isn't clear. There's an acronym (begins with C... can't remember for the mo) which involves joint defence cooperation and missions.

From the BBC

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37317765

I'd agree that there is no point in duplicating NATO, but then NATO isn't a military force as such, it's a treaty based on the joint capabilities of its constituent members. Context is important as well (IMO), with Trump threatening to pull out and concerns over whatever Russia is up to.


NB: Without reading / watching what Farage actually said, it's hard to know what Clegg was objecting to. Farage does like his sound bites, after all.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Would a second referendum or peoples vote achieve anything?
« Reply #94 on: February 03, 2019, 10:58:03 AM »
It no longer matters why people voted as they did. What matters is that MP's do what they promised to do, and accept the result.
You have conveniently side stepped my questions and the points we had previously been discussing.  You have shut down the discussion.
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Re: Would a second referendum or peoples vote achieve anything?
« Reply #95 on: February 03, 2019, 11:15:59 AM »
di Cameron deliberately mislead and say he would not resign when he knew he would...chainging his mind is not telling  a lie...

That would depend on whether he meant what he said when he said it.
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Offline Carana

Re: Would a second referendum or peoples vote achieve anything?
« Reply #96 on: February 05, 2019, 02:52:47 PM »
That would depend on whether he meant what he said when he said it.


True, and that applies across the board.

Numerous politicians have said one thing and then denied they ever said it.

Which is it?

People can change their minds, but then to emphatically deny that they'd ever said any such thing is, de facto, a lie, unless they're suffering from some kind of dementia, in which case what are they doing representing anyone other than themselves?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Would a second referendum or peoples vote achieve anything?
« Reply #97 on: March 08, 2019, 10:42:39 PM »

True, and that applies across the board.

Numerous politicians have said one thing and then denied they ever said it.

Which is it?

People can change their minds, but then to emphatically deny that they'd ever said any such thing is, de facto, a lie, unless they're suffering from some kind of dementia, in which case what are they doing representing anyone other than themselves?

Is there such an animal?  a self serving politician? surely not...
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