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Offline Carana

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #180 on: February 22, 2019, 02:09:39 PM »
An end to the free movement of EU citizens into the UK.


And an end to the free movement of UK citizens into the EU.

Some Brits never thought that it might also apply to them.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #181 on: February 22, 2019, 05:57:26 PM »
Visitors aren't immigrants. Most of them aren't entitled to work, apply for social housing or benefits. If they overstay they can be sent home.
You said Brexit will stop the free movement of EU nationals into the UK.  I have shown that it will not.  There are currently upwards of 800,000 illegal immigrants in Britain already.  I would expect that number to rise dramatically post Brexit. 
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Online G-Unit

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #182 on: February 22, 2019, 06:37:15 PM »


And an end to the free movement of UK citizens into the EU.

Some Brits never thought that it might also apply to them.

If they really want to live elsewhere it can be done; I don't think they're going to be locked in. 
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #183 on: February 25, 2019, 08:59:42 PM »
An end to the free movement of EU citizens into the UK.

... and the end of FOM of U.K. citizens into the EU.
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Offline Carana

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #184 on: February 26, 2019, 11:00:06 AM »
If they really want to live elsewhere it can be done; I don't think they're going to be locked in.

Who is "they"? The millionnaire crowd? Or ordinary people?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #185 on: February 26, 2019, 11:22:52 AM »
If they really want to live elsewhere it can be done; I don't think they're going to be locked in.

They could be if Corbyn becomes Prime Minister.  It's been done before by The Labour Party.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #186 on: February 26, 2019, 01:30:17 PM »
You said Brexit will stop the free movement of EU nationals into the UK.  I have shown that it will not.  There are currently upwards of 800,000 illegal immigrants in Britain already.  I would expect that number to rise dramatically post Brexit.

What is expected is  no fee movement of illegal immigrants- we can send them back to the place they landed for registration of refugee status. Those claiming asylum must have evidence of their claims. not throwing away their passports and refusing to say where they are from so they cannot be sent back- shipped back to EU if that was their passage!

There is no issue for people who want to come and work and live by OUR laws. it is the criminal elements and terrorists we need to keep away. Open borders don't do that!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Carana

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #187 on: February 26, 2019, 02:40:42 PM »
What is expected is  no fee movement of illegal immigrants- we can send them back to the place they landed for registration of refugee status. Those claiming asylum must have evidence of their claims. not throwing away their passports and refusing to say where they are from so they cannot be sent back- shipped back to EU if that was their passage!

There is no issue for people who want to come and work and live by OUR laws. it is the criminal elements and terrorists we need to keep away. Open borders don't do that!

The UK isn't in Schengen, therefore there is no open border. Outside of the EU, the UK will have limited access to police / security databases. How does that help keep "undesireables" out?

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #188 on: February 26, 2019, 03:08:32 PM »
The UK isn't in Schengen, therefore there is no open border. Outside of the EU, the UK will have limited access to police / security databases. How does that help keep "undesireables" out?

Limited access to information is all we may need. Terrorist are out to terrorise all countries in the EU.  What makes you think there will not be collaberation is all our interests. We do not have access to anyone elses data bases what a daft idea!

Not being in Schengen has not stopped the flow of 'refugees' hitting those borders to get here. In case you missed it,  We have had arm twisting to take in 'refugees' which turn out not to be refugees!  Taking in  refugees in Scotland is now a massive push. to the detriment of those on housing waiting lists. and schoold /nhs bursting. Not all are qualified or as it seems want to pick vegtables either.

It was good to see the SNP snarl and gripe about the ISIS brides not being welcomed back as a shame on democracy- this would be the same SNP to hate trump and wanted him to be thrown out of the counrty..  whom it has to be said was democratically voted in!!! hahaha
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #189 on: February 26, 2019, 05:59:59 PM »
What is expected is  no fee movement of illegal immigrants- we can send them back to the place they landed for registration of refugee status. Those claiming asylum must have evidence of their claims. not throwing away their passports and refusing to say where they are from so they cannot be sent back- shipped back to EU if that was their passage!

There is no issue for people who want to come and work and live by OUR laws. it is the criminal elements and terrorists we need to keep away. Open borders don't do that!
When has there ever been free movement of illegal immigrants??
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Brietta

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #190 on: March 05, 2019, 01:45:08 PM »
Brexit: Scottish and Welsh parliaments hold simultaneous debates

Scottish and Welsh politicians are joining forces in a bid to force the prime minister to change her position on Brexit.

An identical motion will be debated simultaneously by the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly - with co-ordinated votes.

It will underline opposition to Theresa May's deal, demand a delay to Brexit and call for "no deal" to be ruled out.

The UK government said the deal was a good one for Scotland and Wales.

It said the focus should be on gaining further assurances from the EU to allow the prime minister's deal to go forward.

Mrs May has promised MPs a vote to delay Brexit if they cannot agree on her deal.

Scottish Brexit Secretary Mike Russell said it was vital to prevent Westminster from pursuing "a disastrous course of action".

And he said the delay could enable a further Brexit referendum to be held.

He said: "This is an unprecedented event: the first time in 20 years of devolution that the Scottish Parliament and National Assembly for Wales have debated the same motion simultaneously.

"We are taking this historic step to send a strong message to the UK government that it must stop pursuing such a disastrous course of action.

"The prime minister's deal will cause major, lasting damage to jobs, living standards and public services such as the NHS and should be voted down."

He added: "The UK government must also stop using the threat of a catastrophic No Deal outcome to blackmail the UK Parliament into accepting her deeply-damaging plans.

"An extension that stops the clock on Brexit would allow time for agreement to be reached on a better way forward, which the Scottish government believes should be a second EU referendum with Remain on the ballot paper."

The debates in the devolved parliaments come UK ministers resumed their efforts to secure legally-binding changes to the prime minister's Brexit deal that might get MPs' backing in a week's time.

UK Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay and Attorney General Geoffrey Cox will meet EU officials in Brussels in search of guarantees over the backstop plan to avoid border checks in Ireland.

MPs will vote on the deal by 12 March, with the UK currently due to leave the EU on 29 March.

Leading Brexiteers are seeking assurances that the backstop - a controversial plan which will see the UK aligned with EU customs rules until the two sides' future relationship is agreed or alternative arrangements worked out - will not endure indefinitely.

A UK government spokeswoman said: "An orderly Brexit is in the UK's best interests and the best way to achieve that is for MPs of all parties to support the prime minister's deal.

"The deal is a good one for Scotland, Wales and the whole of the UK - it delivers the result of the referendum, gives us a close future partnership with the EU, and guarantees citizens' rights.

"Refusing to support the prime minister's deal simply makes a damaging no deal more likely."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-47447176
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #191 on: March 08, 2019, 02:00:10 PM »
When has there ever been free movement of illegal immigrants??

Well, just in case you missed it.. these illegal imigrants (many are criminals)become asylum seekers...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #192 on: March 08, 2019, 02:02:43 PM »
Brexit: Scottish and Welsh parliaments hold simultaneous debates

Scottish and Welsh politicians are joining forces in a bid to force the prime minister to change her position on Brexit.

An identical motion will be debated simultaneously by the Scottish Parliament and the Welsh Assembly - with co-ordinated votes.

It will underline opposition to Theresa May's deal, demand a delay to Brexit and call for "no deal" to be ruled out.

The UK government said the deal was a good one for Scotland and Wales.

It said the focus should be on gaining further assurances from the EU to allow the prime minister's deal to go forward.

Mrs May has promised MPs a vote to delay Brexit if they cannot agree on her deal.

Scottish Brexit Secretary Mike Russell said it was vital to prevent Westminster from pursuing "a disastrous course of action".

And he said the delay could enable a further Brexit referendum to be held.

He said: "This is an unprecedented event: the first time in 20 years of devolution that the Scottish Parliament and National Assembly for Wales have debated the same motion simultaneously.

"We are taking this historic step to send a strong message to the UK government that it must stop pursuing such a disastrous course of action.

"The prime minister's deal will cause major, lasting damage to jobs, living standards and public services such as the NHS and should be voted down."

He added: "The UK government must also stop using the threat of a catastrophic No Deal outcome to blackmail the UK Parliament into accepting her deeply-damaging plans.

"An extension that stops the clock on Brexit would allow time for agreement to be reached on a better way forward, which the Scottish government believes should be a second EU referendum with Remain on the ballot paper."

The debates in the devolved parliaments come UK ministers resumed their efforts to secure legally-binding changes to the prime minister's Brexit deal that might get MPs' backing in a week's time.

UK Brexit Secretary Stephen Barclay and Attorney General Geoffrey Cox will meet EU officials in Brussels in search of guarantees over the backstop plan to avoid border checks in Ireland.

MPs will vote on the deal by 12 March, with the UK currently due to leave the EU on 29 March.

Leading Brexiteers are seeking assurances that the backstop - a controversial plan which will see the UK aligned with EU customs rules until the two sides' future relationship is agreed or alternative arrangements worked out - will not endure indefinitely.

A UK government spokeswoman said: "An orderly Brexit is in the UK's best interests and the best way to achieve that is for MPs of all parties to support the prime minister's deal.

"The deal is a good one for Scotland, Wales and the whole of the UK - it delivers the result of the referendum, gives us a close future partnership with the EU, and guarantees citizens' rights.

"Refusing to support the prime minister's deal simply makes a damaging no deal more likely."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-47447176

SNP AND WALES.....This is political point scoring excersise.... time for them to govern their own little kindomsies, who they believe themselves to be rulers  rather than servants!
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #193 on: May 25, 2019, 09:34:17 AM »
Tricky Nicky queen of Scotland,ruler of all, the Maggie Thatcher of the North. Is doing the EU circus on an independance ticket.

Oh dear, she isn't mentioning about the results of child poverty- not mentioning it lala not hearing it... She also isn't talking about the 2 million quid being spend on the panada enclosure at Edinburgh Zoo.  them poor Pandas have sunlight being lost due to new NHS building. oh lets get our priorites straight!

Zoos are hellish sad places - animal lovers ?  The pandas should never have been brought here-they cost a fortune to feed while there is no money for childrens food! we have video and internet access to see all kinds of animals in the wild. There is nothing more heart warming that seeing the animals on safari in Africa... totally amazing.

SNP taxing the poor for no good reason! and the EU will not save you.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Scottish history, nationhood and independence.
« Reply #194 on: June 22, 2019, 11:55:56 AM »
Tricky Nicky queen of Scotland,ruler of all, the Maggie Thatcher of the North. Is doing the EU circus on an independance ticket.

Oh dear, she isn't mentioning about the results of child poverty- not mentioning it lala not hearing it... She also isn't talking about the 2 million quid being spend on the panada enclosure at Edinburgh Zoo.  them poor Pandas have sunlight being lost due to new NHS building. oh lets get our priorites straight!

Zoos are hellish sad places - animal lovers ?  The pandas should never have been brought here-they cost a fortune to feed while there is no money for childrens food! we have video and internet access to see all kinds of animals in the wild. There is nothing more heart warming that seeing the animals on safari in Africa... totally amazing.

SNP taxing the poor for no good reason! and the EU will not save you.



On the subject of tax and the SNP  they and the green party are delighted to announce they are going to charge appx £400 per year for working people AKA taxpayers to park their cars at work. It will save the planet apparently (CHINA- will follow suit as will USA) < Yeah the joke is on us.

They love the fact that at hospitals patients and visitors must use public transport but - no buses are avaliable at visiting time in most area?  so taxis driven by 'immigrants' owned by UBER is the answer.

Black economy is blooming. Nice one...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin