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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #45 on: February 04, 2019, 08:54:39 AM »
Inevitably there will be winners and losers in any change in the way the UK does business and brexit is no different.  I truly believe the vast majority of people in the UK will be better off in the long run.

In what ways will they be better off?
How long is "in the long run"?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #46 on: February 04, 2019, 11:00:04 AM »
With the closeness of the Referendum, discounting any of the illegalities of the Leave campaign, a Brexit that left us in the SM and CU would have represented the “will of the people”. Both main parties appear to have rejected that and are heading for a harder Brexit for their own reasons.

MPs have a moral obligation to do what is best for their constituents.

Take a shire constituency, the electors would probably in favour for fox hunting, anti LGBT, anti immigration and anti welfare. Should that MP have a moral responsibility to ensure those views are enacted in law?

Usually it's left to Parliament to make decisions. In this particular case a decision was taken to allow the people to decide. Once MP's agreed to that they had no moral right to overrule the people's decision.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2019, 11:56:01 AM »
In what ways will they be better off?
How long is "in the long run"?

Nissan is already reading the writing on the wall and as we slam the door on our biggest market with no thought of what is to take its place on the horizon one wonders how long we can make a profit from taking in each others washing.

Do we even have the plant in place to do so?  Didn't we sell it all off to the likes of Nissan in the eighties as we shut it down left right and centre?
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2019, 12:09:33 PM »
Nissan is already reading the writing on the wall and as we slam the door on our biggest market with no thought of what is to take its place on the horizon one wonders how long we can make a profit from taking in each others washing.

Do we even have the plant in place to do so?  Didn't we sell it all off to the likes of Nissan in the eighties as we shut it down left right and centre?

I posted on the other thread about JRM's "unusual" perspective on what businesses need...

Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2019, 01:18:43 PM »
Whatever business leaders, economists MP's or anyone else says it's too late. Parliament asked the people to decide and they did. 
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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2019, 01:23:11 PM »
Whatever business leaders, economists MP's or anyone else says it's too late. Parliament asked the people to decide and they did.

OK, I'm questioning the basis on which people voted.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2019, 05:38:21 PM »
Whatever business leaders, economists MP's or anyone else says it's too late. Parliament asked the people to decide and they did.
So off the cliff we must hurtle even though we are in a bus with perfectly workable brakes.  But to use the brake is considered immoral, because 52 of the 100 passengers are shouting  “faster! Harder!’
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Offline Brietta

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2019, 06:29:54 PM »
So off the cliff we must hurtle even though we are in a bus with perfectly workable brakes.  But to use the brake is considered immoral, because 52 of the 100 passengers are shouting  “faster! Harder!’

The way things have turned out that appears to be a very sound analogy.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2019, 06:41:41 PM »
The way things have turned out that appears to be a very sound analogy.
It needs the extra bit at the end,

So off the cliff we must hurtle even though we are in a bus with perfectly workable brakes.  But to use the brake is considered immoral, because 52 of the 100 passengers are shouting  “Faster! Harder!’, whilst believing the bus has secret wings which will activate once over the cliff.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2019, 07:14:05 PM »
OK, I'm questioning the basis on which people voted.

Whatever the basis the answer was delivered.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2019, 07:22:12 PM »
So off the cliff we must hurtle even though we are in a bus with perfectly workable brakes.  But to use the brake is considered immoral, because 52 of the 100 passengers are shouting  “faster! Harder!’

You do love your hyperbole, don't you? Such drama! A vote is a vote and the majority wins, even if only by one vote. The winners get what they want and the losers don't. That's democracy. 
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Offline Sunny

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2019, 10:08:30 PM »
Nissan is already reading the writing on the wall and as we slam the door on our biggest market with no thought of what is to take its place on the horizon one wonders how long we can make a profit from taking in each others washing.

Do we even have the plant in place to do so?  Didn't we sell it all off to the likes of Nissan in the eighties as we shut it down left right and centre?

If Brexit was a significant reason for Nissan moving proposed production of their new car why did they move production all the way to Japan not another EU country.

IMO the main reason for the move was  that in 2025 the EU is banning production of diesel cars and elsewhere are not. Quite simple but using Brexit as an excuse will  help with Nissan's PR.   Why make cars in the UK to sell to India, Japan or China. It is not economic to do IMO.
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Offline Davel

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2019, 10:42:43 PM »
If Brexit was a significant reason for Nissan moving proposed production of their new car why did they move production all the way to Japan not another EU country.

IMO the main reason for the move was  that in 2025 the EU is banning production of diesel cars and elsewhere are not. Quite simple but using Brexit as an excuse will  help with Nissan's PR.   Why make cars in the UK to sell to India, Japan or China. It is not economic to do IMO.

Why do we have to rely on Nissan... Perhaps the UK govt could use some of the money we used to give to the EU to establish a UK car, industry
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Offline Angelo222

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2019, 10:44:53 PM »
An MP’s responsibility is to act in the best interest of their constituents.

In a nutshell, the UK public elects Members of Parliament (MPs) to represent their interests and concerns in the House of Commons.  The public do not empower MPs to do their own thing imo.
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Offline Davel

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2019, 10:49:03 PM »
MPs should support the view of their constituents... Do MPs know how their constituents voted
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