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Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #150 on: February 26, 2019, 01:06:46 PM »
Sky News:

British people are extremely divided over many key issues, including race, religion, economics and of course, #Brexit. That's according to a @SkyData poll. Follow this thread for more on the mood of the nation http://po.st/ioJo1Y https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1100324703141617664

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #151 on: February 26, 2019, 01:09:47 PM »
Good heavens. I supported her in the impossible situation she inherited, but I think she's really lost the plot.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-theresa-may-to-address-mps-amid-calls-for-brexit-delay-11648718?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #152 on: February 26, 2019, 01:24:19 PM »
Sky News:

British people are extremely divided over many key issues, including race, religion, economics and of course, #Brexit. That's according to a @SkyData poll. Follow this thread for more on the mood of the nation http://po.st/ioJo1Y https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1100324703141617664

I didn't click the link as it will be a snapshot and not a comprehensive data poll, therefore no value.

  So what else is new?  we have known this for many years.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #153 on: February 26, 2019, 01:41:42 PM »
I didn't click the link as it will be a snapshot and not a comprehensive data poll, therefore no value.

  So what else is new?  we have known this for many years.

Aside from a census, what would you consider as more than a "snapshot"?

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #154 on: February 26, 2019, 01:53:08 PM »
Daniel Kawczynski
‏Verified account @DKShrewsbury

I will vote against any proposals for another #Brexit referendum. This would not only do great damage to our social cohesion as a nation but also harm our international reputation. Would set back eurosceptic movement shared by hundreds of millions across Europe by a generation
1:44 PM - 25 Feb 2019
https://twitter.com/DKShrewsbury/status/1100179818954530818

Social cohesion? International reputation?


Which planet has he been on for the past two years?

Ah... Here's a clue, his name rang a vague bell.

He's the one who infamously asserted "No Marshall Plan for us only for Germany".

Daniel Kawczynski
‏Verified account @DKShrewsbury

Britain helped to liberate half of Europe. She mortgaged herself up to eye balls in process. No Marshall Plan for us only for Germany. We gave up war reparations in 1990. We put £370 billion into EU since we joined. Watch the way ungrateful EU treats us now. We will remember.
6:01 AM - 2 Feb 2019


Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #155 on: February 26, 2019, 02:15:50 PM »
Aside from a census, what would you consider as more than a "snapshot"?

The problem with BI, AI  and polls is they have no integrity. it is all guess work.

I have offered this before 75% of people hate meat!! Yes it is true

The problem was 3  people were polled and two were vegans  8)--))


So, asking some people -something is pointless  really.

I could very easily give you stats that 95% want to leave with no-deal...I just need to ask no deal brexiteers for an answer lol
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Carana

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #156 on: February 26, 2019, 02:30:52 PM »
The problem with BI, AI  and polls is they have no integrity. it is all guess work.

I have offered this before 75% of people hate meat!! Yes it is true

The problem was 3  people were polled and two were vegans  8)--))


So, asking some people -something is pointless  really.

I could very easily give you stats that 95% want to leave with no-deal...I just need to ask no deal brexiteers for an answer lol

LOL Yes, and no doubt some pollsters really only do reach out to the converted (on whichever subject). I wouldn't have thought that to be the case with a Sky-commissioned one, though.

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #157 on: February 26, 2019, 02:37:41 PM »
LOL Yes, and no doubt some pollsters really only do reach out to the converted (on whichever subject). I wouldn't have thought that to be the case with a Sky-commissioned one, though.

You wouldn't ?why because it was commisioned? questions are always loaded, people don't always say what they mean. As an example 23 people were asked for feed back regarding  new flavoured mint and  chocolate drink. they said it was 'nice'   when asked furtherdown the road by someone who said they though the drink tasted sour most agreed it was sour and wouldn't buy it!!!!!

lol
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #158 on: February 26, 2019, 06:04:24 PM »
Economics seem to be your benchmark, but there are other considerations.
Of course!  National pride, notions of sovereignty and kicking out “unelected bureaucrats”, bendy bananas and blue passports.  None of these things put bread on the table of course, though I’m sure they are all highly desirable.
« Last Edit: February 26, 2019, 06:44:11 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

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Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #159 on: February 26, 2019, 06:47:35 PM »
Of course!  National pride, notions of sovereignty and kicking out “unelected bureaucrats”, bendy bananas and blue passports.  Noe of these things put bread on the table of course, though I’m sure they are all highly desirable.

If being in the EU has made us prosperous why are there a million children living in poverty? One of the worst rates in the undustrialised world.
https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/what-we-do/policy-and-lobbying/child-poverty?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI04GM04Xa4AIVrL3tCh0inwf1EAAYASAAEgLxg_D_BwE

Across the EU there are 25 million children living in poverty.
https://fra.europa.eu/en/press-release/2018/help-end-child-poverty-plaguing-europe

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #160 on: February 26, 2019, 06:56:41 PM »
If being in the EU has made us prosperous why are there a million children living in poverty? One of the worst rates in the undustrialised world.
https://www.childrenssociety.org.uk/what-we-do/policy-and-lobbying/child-poverty?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI04GM04Xa4AIVrL3tCh0inwf1EAAYASAAEgLxg_D_BwE

Across the EU there are 25 million children living in poverty.
https://fra.europa.eu/en/press-release/2018/help-end-child-poverty-plaguing-europe
Well lets see how many children are living in poverty in ten years time shall we?  Are you blaming our child poverty on the EU?  New Zealand have roughly the same level of child poverty as us, is that the EU’s fault too?

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2017/06/these-rich-countries-have-high-levels-of-child-poverty/
« Last Edit: February 26, 2019, 07:00:52 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Online G-Unit

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #161 on: February 26, 2019, 07:01:33 PM »
Well lets see how many children are living in poverty in ten years time shall we?  Are you blaming our child poverty on the EU?

You seem to believe that being in the EU is necessary in order to put bread on the tables of the UK. I'm just pointing out that it hasn't done that for everyone.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #162 on: February 26, 2019, 07:08:11 PM »
You seem to believe that being in the EU is necessary in order to put bread on the tables of the UK. I'm just pointing out that it hasn't done that for everyone.
I think you are misrepresenting my view. I think that the effect of leaving the EU will be damaging to jobs, businesses and overall prosperity, which in turn will lead to MORE not less child poverty.  Do you think the reverse is true, if so perhaps you could explain why.
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

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Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #163 on: February 27, 2019, 08:01:17 AM »
I think you are misrepresenting my view. I think that the effect of leaving the EU will be damaging to jobs, businesses and overall prosperity, which in turn will lead to MORE not less child poverty.  Do you think the reverse is true, if so perhaps you could explain why.

I have formed the impression that money is your priority because it seems to feature in so many of your posts.  I don't know if leaving the EU would make us poorer, forecasts are just guesses in the end.
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Online Davel

Re: Brexit and Moral Obligations.
« Reply #164 on: February 27, 2019, 08:07:49 AM »
I have formed the impression that money is your priority because it seems to feature in so many of your posts.  I don't know if leaving the EU would make us poorer, forecasts are just guesses in the end.

Money is essential... How can Corbyn redistribute it if there isn't any... We need money to run our essential services... Health.. Education.. Police
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