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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2019, 12:23:41 PM »
Professional Busy Body Mr Tony Bennett submitted this FOI request in March 2018
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/madeleine_mccann_case_operation
And received the following reply to his request for information regarding the names of those officers involved in OG
1. Please state the name and rank of the current Investigation
Co-Ordinator/Senior Investigation Officer

The Senior Investigating office is Detective Chief Inspector (DCI) Nicola
Wall


* 2. Please name all the officers in the reporting  line  from the
S.I.O. up to the Metropolitan Commissioner, and give their current
rank

DCI Wall reports to Commander Stuart Cundy.  Mr Cundy reports to Assistant
Commissioner Martin Hewitt.  Mr Hewitt reports to Commissioner Cressida
Dick.


Yes, this was in 2018, but is there any reason to suppose that a similar request for information would have been denied to this Busy Busy or one of his pals earlier in the investigation?  There you have 3 named officers.
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Faithlilly

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2019, 12:24:40 PM »
So so far even those with a great interest and knowledge of this case have been unable to name three officers who are part of OG and carry out the day to day actions of that investigation.

That says it all.
“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

Offline Davel

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2019, 12:29:13 PM »
So so far even those with a great interest and knowledge of this case have been unable to name three officers who are part of OG and carry out the day to day actions of that investigation.

That says it all.

Who says it refers to day to day officers... Im fairly sure someone posted on CMOMMthat once Grange was over their would be complaints to SY... so I'm fairly sure the complaint us from a troll
UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED ALL POSTS ARE MY OPINION

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #18 on: February 06, 2019, 12:34:10 PM »
So so far even those with a great interest and knowledge of this case have been unable to name three officers who are part of OG and carry out the day to day actions of that investigation.

That says it all.
*%87
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Davel

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #19 on: February 06, 2019, 12:34:24 PM »



#1







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 An Open Letter to Operation Grange
 by Jill Havern on 08.10.17 12:17

John Coxon, former Met Police, on Facebook

I wish to register a formal complaint in regard to Operation Grange , the so called Met Police search for Madeleine McCann.

I do so on the following grounds.

1/ It has blatantly and inexplicably failed to look at the parents and accompanying party as suspects in the investigation.

This is in complete disregard to the findings in the original Portuguese investigation.

Namely

A/ multiple and significant discrepancies in their accounts

B/ deletion of mobile phone data and obstruction of evidence

C/ multiple indications by forensic cadaver and blood dogs in their apartment on Kate McCann's clothing , the child's toy and on a vehicle they hired 3 weeks after her disappearance.Also a close DNA match found in the boot of the same vehicle.

D/ An eye witness account naming Gerry McCann as the so called prime suspect, Smith man.

E/ The McCanns refusal to cooperate , answer questions and take part in a reconstruction which shelved the original enquiry

F/ Allegations from two healthcare professionals that at least one of the party , doctor David Payne is a paedophile.

They were made suspects for all these perfectly valid reasons , it is apparent that Operation Grange has failed to address a single one of them. The Portuguese closing report does not exonerate them at all , I presume during the 5 years of its existence Grange was aware of these matters , yet has acted as if none of this ever happened.

More specifically , Met police chief Hogan Howe has on at least one occasion claimed the McCanns have been " ruled out" , firstly , this is at complete odds with Granges opening statement which claims " treat the abduction as if it happened yesterday" clearly implying they were totally off the table from the start , secondly it is simply impossible as there is no independent evidence that exonerates them and if there was the McCanns publicity machine would be screaming it from the roof tops.

2/ It is apparent lines of enquiry have been leaked to the media. If this were the case and a live child were being held captive , it would clearly endanger that individuals life, obviously a totally unacceptable situation. Furthermore these leaks have frequently coincided with an ongoing civil case the McCanns are fighting in Portugal , too frequently for comfort.

3/ This failure to investigate properly has boosted the McCanns public profile, helped promote KMs book sales and enabled them to take on further projects. Do you believe , for instance KM would have been made an ambassador for a charity had the Met asked her the same 48 questions she refused to answer in Portugal? I doubt it.

4/ Grange has wasted huge amounts of public money and police time chasing shadows in Portugal which its legal advisors must surely have told them were not viable lines of enquiry. In other words it has done a lot of work and spent a lot of money for the sake of doing it , no other credible reason.

The conclusions here are blatantly obvious.

Operation Grange is a whitewash - a vast PR exercise to promote an abduction scenario that not one shred of evidence exists to support ever even happened.

The implications are equally obvious .

A/ It obstructs the real police investigation going on
in Portugal

B/ It potentially supports a criminal fraud of huge proportions the McCanns ongoing business.

C/ It undermines the entire credibility of the whole Metropolitan Police Service ( as if it needed any further help)

D/ It threatens the credibility of the entire UK criminal justice system.
In summary Grange is simply corrupt , it has misappropriated huge amounts of public money , it potentially lets child murderers walk free, it is beyond a disgrace, it is worthy of extensive investigation in itself , that day can't come soon enough.
 John Coxon
UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED ALL POSTS ARE MY OPINION

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #20 on: February 06, 2019, 12:36:44 PM »


#1







6
 An Open Letter to Operation Grange
 by Jill Havern on 08.10.17 12:17

John Coxon, former Met Police, on Facebook

I wish to register a formal complaint in regard to Operation Grange , the so called Met Police search for Madeleine McCann.

I do so on the following grounds.

1/ It has blatantly and inexplicably failed to look at the parents and accompanying party as suspects in the investigation.

This is in complete disregard to the findings in the original Portuguese investigation.

Namely

A/ multiple and significant discrepancies in their accounts

B/ deletion of mobile phone data and obstruction of evidence

C/ multiple indications by forensic cadaver and blood dogs in their apartment on Kate McCann's clothing , the child's toy and on a vehicle they hired 3 weeks after her disappearance.Also a close DNA match found in the boot of the same vehicle.

D/ An eye witness account naming Gerry McCann as the so called prime suspect, Smith man.

E/ The McCanns refusal to cooperate , answer questions and take part in a reconstruction which shelved the original enquiry

F/ Allegations from two healthcare professionals that at least one of the party , doctor David Payne is a paedophile.

They were made suspects for all these perfectly valid reasons , it is apparent that Operation Grange has failed to address a single one of them. The Portuguese closing report does not exonerate them at all , I presume during the 5 years of its existence Grange was aware of these matters , yet has acted as if none of this ever happened.

More specifically , Met police chief Hogan Howe has on at least one occasion claimed the McCanns have been " ruled out" , firstly , this is at complete odds with Granges opening statement which claims " treat the abduction as if it happened yesterday" clearly implying they were totally off the table from the start , secondly it is simply impossible as there is no independent evidence that exonerates them and if there was the McCanns publicity machine would be screaming it from the roof tops.

2/ It is apparent lines of enquiry have been leaked to the media. If this were the case and a live child were being held captive , it would clearly endanger that individuals life, obviously a totally unacceptable situation. Furthermore these leaks have frequently coincided with an ongoing civil case the McCanns are fighting in Portugal , too frequently for comfort.

3/ This failure to investigate properly has boosted the McCanns public profile, helped promote KMs book sales and enabled them to take on further projects. Do you believe , for instance KM would have been made an ambassador for a charity had the Met asked her the same 48 questions she refused to answer in Portugal? I doubt it.

4/ Grange has wasted huge amounts of public money and police time chasing shadows in Portugal which its legal advisors must surely have told them were not viable lines of enquiry. In other words it has done a lot of work and spent a lot of money for the sake of doing it , no other credible reason.

The conclusions here are blatantly obvious.

Operation Grange is a whitewash - a vast PR exercise to promote an abduction scenario that not one shred of evidence exists to support ever even happened.

The implications are equally obvious .

A/ It obstructs the real police investigation going on
in Portugal

B/ It potentially supports a criminal fraud of huge proportions the McCanns ongoing business.

C/ It undermines the entire credibility of the whole Metropolitan Police Service ( as if it needed any further help)

D/ It threatens the credibility of the entire UK criminal justice system.
In summary Grange is simply corrupt , it has misappropriated huge amounts of public money , it potentially lets child murderers walk free, it is beyond a disgrace, it is worthy of extensive investigation in itself , that day can't come soon enough.
 John Coxon
Haha, bingo!  Isn't this John Coxon a former Met officer?
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Faithlilly

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #21 on: February 06, 2019, 01:12:04 PM »
Who says it refers to day to day officers... Im fairly sure someone posted on CMOMMthat once Grange was over their would be complaints to SY... so I'm fairly sure the complaint us from a troll

Of course you are but there’s no proof.

As to the rest of your post. OG isn’t over. If Bennett et al had managed to have an investigation launched we would certainly have heard about it. That the complaint failed would have simply fed in to their belief of a cover up.

As to the complaints being against the bread and butter coppers, do you really think some sceptic or troll would have the information or evidence to lodge a complaint against Wall, Redwood or those of higher rank ?
“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #22 on: February 06, 2019, 01:16:23 PM »
Of course you are but there’s no proof.

As to the rest of your post. OG isn’t over. If Bennett et al had managed to have an investigation launched we would certainly have heard about it. That the complaint failed would have simply fed in to their belief of a cover up.

As to the complaints being against the bread and butter coppers, do you really think some sceptic or troll would have the information or evidence to lodge a complaint against Wall, Redwood or those of higher rank ?
And yet you think the McCanns have sufficient knowledge of the day to day workings of the bread and butter cops to supply information concerning neglect by the lowly drudges?  And if this is true, how does it point to any involvement in Madeleine McCann's disappearance?  Looking forward to the stonewalling to these questions...  @)(++(*
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Davel

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #23 on: February 06, 2019, 02:01:22 PM »
Of course you are but there’s no proof.

As to the rest of your post. OG isn’t over. If Bennett et al had managed to have an investigation launched we would certainly have heard about it. That the complaint failed would have simply fed in to their belief of a cover up.

As to the complaints being against the bread and butter coppers, do you really think some sceptic or troll would have the information or evidence to lodge a complaint against Wall, Redwood or those of higher rank ?

Of course I have no proof... But I think my idea makes a lot more sense than yours... And yes... Any complaint would have to be taken seriously... Even if it was quickly dismissed.. Surely it's at the cor of some sceptics belief that the elite at the Met are protecting the mccanns and are therefore in deriliction if their duties
UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED ALL POSTS ARE MY OPINION

Offline Faithlilly

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #24 on: February 06, 2019, 02:21:28 PM »
Of course I have no proof... But I think my idea makes a lot more sense than yours... And yes... Any complaint would have to be taken seriously... Even if it was quickly dismissed.. Surely it's at the cor of some sceptics belief that the elite at the Met are protecting the mccanns and are therefore in deriliction if their duties

One of the complaints were withdrawn I believe. Does that sound like Bennett’s MO ?

Within the Sun article it says that the family could have lodged the complaint. You’d have thought that, if the parents are 100% behind OG and were not the source of the complaint, they would have trundled their spokesperson out to deny their involvement.
“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #25 on: February 06, 2019, 02:26:35 PM »
One of the complaints were withdrawn I believe. Does that sound like Bennett’s MO ?

Within the Sun article it says that the family could have lodged the complaint. You’d have thought that, if the parents are 100% behind OG and were not the source of the complaint, they would have trundled their spokesperson out to deny their involvement.
Correction: YOU'D have thought, some of us wouldn't. 
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #26 on: February 06, 2019, 02:52:20 PM »
Here's another named member of the Operation Grange team:

DI Tim Dobson: We're looking at 12 crimes where an intruder has broken into the, errr... properties of UK families whilst on holiday in the western Algarve and significantly on four of those occasions he in... sexually assaulted a young, white female child, whilst in her bed.
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Faithlilly

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #27 on: February 06, 2019, 03:00:01 PM »
It’s a pretty big thing for a newspaper to suggest that the 12 million pounds investigation team into the disappearance of a child has had a complaint lodged against it by the parents of that child for ‘neglect or failure in their duty’. I’m sure if it’s not true such a litigious couple as the McCanns will seek recompense, so let’s wait and see.
“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #28 on: February 06, 2019, 03:04:45 PM »
It’s a pretty big thing for a newspaper to suggest that the 12 million pounds investigation team into the disappearance of a child has had a complaint lodged against it by the parents of that child for ‘neglect or failure in their duty’. I’m sure if it’s not true such a litigious couple as the McCanns will seek recompense, so let’s wait and see.
You are grasping at straws.  Basically what you're saying is, if the McCanns don't sue the paper for suggesting it's possible that they complained about 3 officers within Operation Grange then they must have done so, and having done so, this must somehow be further proof of...what I have no idea.  It's all very simplistic thinking IMO. 
« Last Edit: February 06, 2019, 03:50:08 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline Angelo222

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #29 on: February 06, 2019, 11:00:47 PM »
We were informed in the Sun yesterday that an internal investigation had been carried out against three officers in the OG team for “neglect or failure in their duty”. The allegation was certainly taken seriously as the investigation shows and it is obvious it was based on specific information. It is also obvious that someone isn’t happy with the way OG is proceeding.

Two questions.

1. In the context of OG what would constitute an allegation of  “neglect or failure in their duty”?
2. Who would be in a position to lodge a complaint of this nature ?

I don't want to speculate but it could be anything from getting drunk while on a jolly to Portugal to tipping off press about stories.
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