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Offline Faithlilly

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2019, 11:13:19 PM »
I don't want to speculate but it could be anything from getting drunk while on a jolly to Portugal to tipping off press about stories.

It’s not the what was it but who was it that’s interesting.
“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2019, 11:22:47 PM »
It’s not the what was it but who was it that’s interesting.
Why are you so excited by the possibility that it may have been he McCanns? And surely the “what” is very relevant if it was them.
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline misty

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #32 on: February 06, 2019, 11:55:14 PM »
Here's another named member of the Operation Grange team:

DI Tim Dobson: We're looking at 12 crimes where an intruder has broken into the, errr... properties of UK families whilst on holiday in the western Algarve and significantly on four of those occasions he in... sexually assaulted a young, white female child, whilst in her bed.

There is also Mark Draycott (rank unknown but a Met officer until at least June 2016), who was contacted by Luis Moreno regarding the Ibiza airport photo.
 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/BRAZIL_EMAILS.htm

Offline Faithlilly

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2019, 12:39:48 AM »
There is also Mark Draycott (rank unknown but a Met officer until at least June 2016), who was contacted by Luis Moreno regarding the Ibiza airport photo.
 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/BRAZIL_EMAILS.htm

Was Mark Draycott a member of the OG team ?
“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

Offline misty

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2019, 01:32:52 AM »
Was Mark Draycott a member of the OG team ?

Twitter Intelligence has led me to believe so.  ?>)()<

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2019, 07:16:37 AM »
So so far even those with a great interest and knowledge of this case have been unable to name three officers who are part of OG and carry out the day to day actions of that investigation.

That says it all.
LOL
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline jassi

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2019, 08:56:26 AM »
Interesting document here re police misconduct results. Covers 2017-2019
https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/af/accessing-information/published-items/?q=&dt=Misconduct+outcome&fdte=&tdte=&ic=&dir=
None of the names so far mentioned appear on that list
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -   Into year 13 and still no solution.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2019, 10:05:42 AM »
Twitter Intelligence has led me to believe so.  ?>)()<

Do you have a cite ?
“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

Offline Brietta

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #38 on: February 07, 2019, 12:19:19 PM »
Interesting document here re police misconduct results. Covers 2017-2019
https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/af/accessing-information/published-items/?q=&dt=Misconduct+outcome&fdte=&tdte=&ic=&dir=
None of the names so far mentioned appear on that list

Thank you for the link which provides information published in the public domain from the outcome of disciplinary hearings heard in public ... I had no idea actions such as this were carried out with the transparency of taking place with the public in attendance.

At random I opened three which I have copied below ... and noted that the Met do indeed expect a high standard of behaviour from their serving officers.  Misconduct resulting either in final warning or or immediate dismissal. Apparently the 'Gene Hunt' days of the Met have been reined in when discovered.

What is the current situation in Portugal.
We know the torture allegations against prominent PJ operatives resulted in suspended sentences and a fine (Tavares de Almeida) http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2140.msg71041#msg71041 a conviction interestingly enough refuted at Amaral's trial as far as this link is concerned ...
Snip
2:09: The McCanns’ lawyer is rebuked for saying de Almeida was accused of torturing suspects – he was never charged.
http://truthformadeleine.com/2010/01/tavares-de-almeida-when-we-asked-uk-for-info-on-mccanns-we-got-a-single-side-of-a4/

We know also that senior officers as in the case of Amaral can be given suspended sentences for the crime of perjury ...  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5370361/Madeleine-McCann-police-chief-found-guilty-of-falsifying-evidence.html             

Has the situation now changed in Portugal as it obviously has in England ... is there anything you are able to access on the internet about Portuguese Police Disciplinary Procedures which will enable true comparison between disciplinary proceedings and penalties?



The panel chaired by an LQC found that PC D*** breached the following standards of behavior, Duties and Responsibilities, Discreditable Conduct, Honesty & Integrity and Authority, Respect and Courtesy which amounted to Gross Misconduct.

PC D*** was dismissed without notice.
_______________________________________________________________________________

On 16th April 2018 PC H***** was issued a fixed penalty notice by a TFL ticket inspector for using his brother’s Oyster Zip Card to receive a travel discount that he was not entitled to. PC Hannam accepted this and paid the fine.

It is alleged that in doing so PC H***** breached the Standards of Professional Behaviour in respect of Discreditable Conduct & Honesty & Integrity

The allegation was proven as Gross Misconduct.
PC H***** was given a Final Written Warning in relation to this allegation
_______________________________________________________________________________

It is alleged that on 15th October 2016 PC G**** slapped a detained and compliant prisoner then verbally taunted him. He further boasted to colleagues that he had struck the male and did not make a written record of his actions. It is alleged that in doing so PC D G**** breached the Standards of Professional
Behaviour in respect of ‘Discreditable Conduct’, “Use of Force”, “Authority Respect and Coutesy”, “Duties and Responsibilities”

Finding of the person/s conducting misconduct hearing
Proven as Gross Misconduct

Disciplinary Action imposed
Dismissal without notice
_______________________________________________________________________________


The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline barrier

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #39 on: February 07, 2019, 01:52:09 PM »
Twitter Intelligence has led me to believe so.  ?>)()<

What! twitter and intelligence in the same sentence,how does that work?
We've got tonight who needs tomorrow.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #40 on: February 07, 2019, 03:58:52 PM »
Thank you for the link which provides information published in the public domain from the outcome of disciplinary hearings heard in public ... I had no idea actions such as this were carried out with the transparency of taking place with the public in attendance.

At random I opened three which I have copied below ... and noted that the Met do indeed expect a high standard of behaviour from their serving officers.  Misconduct resulting either in final warning or or immediate dismissal. Apparently the 'Gene Hunt' days of the Met have been reined in when discovered.

What is the current situation in Portugal.
We know the torture allegations against prominent PJ operatives resulted in suspended sentences and a fine (Tavares de Almeida) http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2140.msg71041#msg71041 a conviction interestingly enough refuted at Amaral's trial as far as this link is concerned ...
Snip
2:09: The McCanns’ lawyer is rebuked for saying de Almeida was accused of torturing suspects – he was never charged.
http://truthformadeleine.com/2010/01/tavares-de-almeida-when-we-asked-uk-for-info-on-mccanns-we-got-a-single-side-of-a4/

We know also that senior officers as in the case of Amaral can be given suspended sentences for the crime of perjury ...  https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5370361/Madeleine-McCann-police-chief-found-guilty-of-falsifying-evidence.html             

Has the situation now changed in Portugal as it obviously has in England ... is there anything you are able to access on the internet about Portuguese Police Disciplinary Procedures which will enable true comparison between disciplinary proceedings and penalties?



The panel chaired by an LQC found that PC D*** breached the following standards of behavior, Duties and Responsibilities, Discreditable Conduct, Honesty & Integrity and Authority, Respect and Courtesy which amounted to Gross Misconduct.

PC D*** was dismissed without notice.
_______________________________________________________________________________

On 16th April 2018 PC H***** was issued a fixed penalty notice by a TFL ticket inspector for using his brother’s Oyster Zip Card to receive a travel discount that he was not entitled to. PC Hannam accepted this and paid the fine.

It is alleged that in doing so PC H***** breached the Standards of Professional Behaviour in respect of Discreditable Conduct & Honesty & Integrity

The allegation was proven as Gross Misconduct.
PC H***** was given a Final Written Warning in relation to this allegation
_______________________________________________________________________________

It is alleged that on 15th October 2016 PC G**** slapped a detained and compliant prisoner then verbally taunted him. He further boasted to colleagues that he had struck the male and did not make a written record of his actions. It is alleged that in doing so PC D G**** breached the Standards of Professional
Behaviour in respect of ‘Discreditable Conduct’, “Use of Force”, “Authority Respect and Coutesy”, “Duties and Responsibilities”

Finding of the person/s conducting misconduct hearing
Proven as Gross Misconduct

Disciplinary Action imposed
Dismissal without notice
_______________________________________________________________________________


For clarity Brietta, the thread is not about the Portuguese police but a complaint made against British police officers.
« Last Edit: February 07, 2019, 04:42:38 PM by Eleanor »
“Without delving into the details of the case, Ellis admitted that the British police had developed the current evidence against the McCann parents, and he stressed that authorities from both countries were working co-operatively."

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #41 on: February 07, 2019, 06:17:06 PM »
Interesting document here re police misconduct results. Covers 2017-2019
https://www.met.police.uk/foi-ai/af/accessing-information/published-items/?q=&dt=Misconduct+outcome&fdte=&tdte=&ic=&dir=
None of the names so far mentioned appear on that list
According to the Daily Mail
'Because the precise details of the allegations aren't made public, it's entirely possible good officers have been subjected to a complaints process even though there may be little merit in the allegations against them.'
So presumably they didn’t reach the hearing stage.
"I have hated the way social media has facilitated the abuse of Gerry and Kate McCann, and found it hard to fathom the insensitivity of all those who have posted accusations about them“ - David James Smith

Offline barrier

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2019, 11:55:04 AM »
According to the Daily Mail
'Because the precise details of the allegations aren't made public, it's entirely possible good officers have been subjected to a complaints process even though there may be little merit in the allegations against them.'
So presumably they didn’t reach the hearing stage.


So where does the FOI come into it then.
We've got tonight who needs tomorrow.

Online John

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #43 on: February 09, 2019, 03:12:25 AM »
« Last Edit: February 09, 2019, 03:16:05 AM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. John Lamberton exposes malfeasance by public officials.
Check out my website >   http://johnlamberton.webs.com/index.htm?no_redirect=true     The truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Brietta

Re: “Neglect or failure in their duty”
« Reply #44 on: February 09, 2019, 05:48:18 PM »
Each public complaint made one allegation of misconduct.

https://www.policeprofessional.com/news/three-officers-in-madeleine-mccann-probe-investigated-for-misconduct/

I have no idea what the fuss is about regarding what are obviously spurious complaints against serving officers.  Had there been any substance to them it might have been of interest but I wonder if the complaints whatever they may have been were made because these officers were working on Madeleine McCann's case?
Were that so I find that terribly sad

Anyway, Scotland Yard officers are not unique from suffering allegations which do not stand up to the scrutiny of the complaints procedures in place ...

Snip
During the past year, that body protected by the MAI processed 1,483 complaints against police, 623 of which transited from 2017 and 860 were filed in 2018.

Of the 1,483 complaints analysed, the IGAI concluded 874, having filed 609 cases for this year, converted to disciplinary proceedings four and filed 765 for lack of infringement or evidence, and 609 disciplinary proceedings are ongoing in the security forces and services and institutions.
https://www.safecommunitiesportugal.com/complaints-against-police-actions-at-a-maximum-of-seven-years/
« Last Edit: February 09, 2019, 05:50:31 PM by Brietta »
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"