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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #270 on: February 09, 2020, 02:05:41 PM »
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/07/shamima-begum-loses-appeal-against-removal-of-citizenship

Shamima Begum loses first stage of appeal against citizenship removal
Former schoolgirl who went to Syria to join Islamic State had citizenship revoked a year ago
Owen Bowcott Legal affairs correspondent
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Fri 7 Feb 2020 13.12 GMT First published on Fri 7 Feb 2020 09.42 GMT

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 Shamima Begum took her case to the Special Immigration Appeals Commission.
 Shamima Begum took her case to the Special Immigration Appeals Commission. Photograph: PA
Shamima Begum, the woman who left Britain as a schoolgirl to join Islamic State in Syria, has lost the initial stage of her appeal against the Home Office’s decision to revoke her UK citizenship.

A unanimous judgment by the Special Immigration Appeals Commission (Siac) found against Begum, now 20, on three preliminary grounds, including that she had not been improperly deprived of her citizenship. The judgment prevents her from returning to London.

The ruling accepted that conditions in al-Roj camp, where she is being held in Syria, amount to, at least, cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment, but deemed that her human rights were not protected under UK law. Her lawyers announced they would appeal immediately.

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Mrs Justice Elisabeth Laing, Mr Doron Blum and Mr Roger Golland concluded that the decision to strip Begum of her citizenship did not make her stateless because she was entitled to, or in effect held, Bangladeshi citizenship. She could, nonetheless, continue with her substantive appeal.

The Siac judgment said: “We accept that, in her current circumstances, [Begum] cannot play any meaningful part in her appeal and to that extent, the appeal will not be fair and effective.”

However, it went on, parliament intended that the home secretary “should be free to make a deprivation order immediately after giving notice of intention to deprive the person concerned her citizenship, whether or not the person concerned wishes to … appeal against the notice”.


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The ruling said that when she was stripped of her UK citizenship, Begum “was a citizen of Bangladesh by descent, by virtue of [Bangladeshi nationality legislation]. She held that citizenship as of right. That citizenship was not in the gift of the [Bangladesh] government and could not be denied by the [Bangladesh] government in any circumstances.”

Mrs Justice Laing said Begum had no protection under the European convention on human rights – including the right to life or prevention of torture – because she was in Syria and therefore beyond its reach. The home secretary, she explained, was “only obliged to consider risks which are foreseeable and which are a direct consequence of the decision to deprive a person of his nationality”.

The judgment accepts that conditions in al-Roj camp in Syria “would breach [Begum’s] rights under article 3 [of the convention, which bans torture, inhuman or degrading treatment] if article 3 applied to her case”.

Begum’s lawyers alleged she had been left stateless and unable to mount a “fair and effective” legal challenge and was at risk of “death, inhuman or degrading treatment”. If forced to go to Bangladesh, her parents’ country of origin, she could be hanged, they told the tribunal at a partially secret hearing last October.

Begum was born in the UK and grew up in east London. The court heard there was no evidence she had ever visited Bangladesh or applied for citizenship there.

In February 2015, aged 15, Begum left her home with two other teenagers, Kadiza Sultana, then 16, and Amira Abase, then 15, and travelled to Syria to join Isis. She was found, nine months pregnant, in a Syrian refugee camp in February 2019. The then home secretary, Sajid Javid, stripped her of her British citizenship later that month.

Begum claims she married the Dutch Isis fighter Yago Riedijk 10 days after arriving in Isis territory, with her schoolfriends also reportedly marrying foreign fighters in the terrorist group.

The couple had three children, two of whom died of disease or malnutrition during the terrorist group’s last stand at Baghuz. The third died in al-Hawl camp.

The Home Office welcomed the Siac judgment, saying: “It would be inappropriate to comment further whilst legal proceedings are ongoing.”

Begum’s solicitor, Daniel Furner of Birnberg Peirce, said she would “immediately initiate an appeal [against] Siac’s decision … as a matter of exceptional urgency”.

Furner added: “The stark reality of her situation was brought before the court last year as a matter of exceptional urgency – how could she in any meaningful and fair way challenge the decision to deprive her of her nationality, a young woman in grave danger who had by then lost her three children?

“The judgment will be hard to explain to her. The logic of the decision will appear baffling, accepting as it does the key underlying factual assessments of extreme danger and extreme unfairness and yet declining to provide any legal remedy.

“Now, in February 2020, the dangers Ms Begum faces have increased; her chance of survival even more precariously balanced than before.”

Maya Foa, the director of the human rights group Reprieve, said: “The court today found that the detention conditions of British nationals in north-east Syria constitute torture or cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment. It is rank hypocrisy for the government to abandon British families to torture, which it professes to categorically oppose. The only just solution is for the government to repatriate British families, and to try people in British courts if they have charges to answer”.

Clare Collier, Liberty’s advocacy director, said: “The fact the government has left a young woman effectively stateless shows how little regard it holds for fundamental rights.

“Shamima Begum should not be banished – banishing people belongs in the dark ages, not 21st-century Britain. This case is just one example of how quickly ministers use citizenship-stripping when they could use other powers.

“It’s clear why they use these archaic banishments and that is to score political points and look tough on terrorism. It has nothing to do with making the public safe.

“In fact, this leaves us less safe as services are unable to conduct proper investigations that could help prevent young people, like Shamima, from entering terrorist circles in the future.”

Take a vote from the whole country  and see what WE want. You cannot prevent this happening- pretending you can is farcical.  Speak to the Islamic council  people of Great Britain- good luck with that.

I loved the bit where she fell to the floor head to the ground begging forgiveness...

Oh yes, that didn't happen. 

I forgot she was a stay at home 24/7 housewife. She knew nothing about the slaughter of innocent people, err real names 'infidels'. women and children selected as sex slaves brought to the homes, and were beaten by wives who were jealous. She would not know anything about the beheading, and probably didn't take part in the 'policing' of dress code of females being accompanied at all times by males- even their sons.

One Yadsi woman's feet was beaten so badly by two 'ISIS BRIDES' there was no flesh on the soles of her feet. She had to crawl, the reason for this punishment hers? Her 3 year old son was her chaperone and walked a few feet away from her in the market.  A 9 year old girl was left for dead after being brutally raped by 6 isis 'husbands'  in front of brides and infidel mothers- to teach them that everything must be covered or this can happen.


Karma is a b.........

 Bring her home we miss her-her country needs her...

    It has not been reported and probably won't be - ISIS Brides are still involved with brutal ISIS mandate in those camps.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Davel

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #271 on: February 09, 2020, 04:05:39 PM »

Great idea   AND also there is to be no addmittance of children born in 'isis land'- due to them being exposed  to extreme parenting beliefs and educational environment.

If anyone has been watching the compelling TV series 'The Handmaids Tale'(ch4) although based on fictional christian fundamentalist take over. The similarities to isis  ideology ,being the muslim equivelant, is bloody scary!

Someone known to me who was over in the camp has informed me that most of the 'brides with children' are the trojan horses seeking to cause war and mayhem in the west.

have you only just heard of The Handmaids Tale......I read it about 20 years ago when it was my daighters GCSE english lit book...
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #272 on: February 09, 2020, 05:39:29 PM »
have you only just heard of The Handmaids Tale......I read it about 20 years ago when it was my daighters GCSE english lit book...


I just heard from work colleagues about a new TV show. Quite chilling! Are the books very similar to the TV show?
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Offline Davel

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #273 on: February 09, 2020, 06:45:02 PM »

I just heard from work colleagues about a new TV show. Quite chilling! Are the books very similar to the TV show?
I don't watch much TV... The book was brilliant.. Another one by the same author.. Oryx and Krake.  She's written a, sequel to the Handmaid... Last year, I think but I've not readvit yet
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #274 on: February 09, 2020, 07:16:14 PM »
I don't watch much TV... The book was brilliant.. Another one by the same author.. Oryx and Krake.  She's written a, sequel to the Handmaid... Last year, I think but I've not readvit yet

I don't watch much TV either, just a few programs and they are on demand/catch up.

I will get the books sounds like a good  read.  Thanks for updating me on that. I wonder if they will do a followup  series with the new books? It is brilliantly acted by all the cast- very believable.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #275 on: February 14, 2020, 07:14:34 AM »
On the issue of who should be allowed to come back into the country and who should be deported, then why not these two?


“A killer who stabbed a father to death outside a pub and a rapist who targeted a teenage girl were among the offenders whose deportations to Jamaica were blocked this week.

Fitzroy Daley, now 43, repeatedly stabbed his victim after a minor scuffle outside a pub in east London and was jailed for ten years in 2013.

Fabian Henry was jailed the same year after he raped a teenage girl in Bristol and groomed and abducted another. Henry, who was 30 at the time, was sentenced to 12 years”.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: ISIS Brides, should they be allowed back ?
« Reply #276 on: March 02, 2020, 09:27:35 PM »
On the issue of who should be allowed to come back into the country and who should be deported, then why not these two?


“A killer who stabbed a father to death outside a pub and a rapist who targeted a teenage girl were among the offenders whose deportations to Jamaica were blocked this week.

Fitzroy Daley, now 43, repeatedly stabbed his victim after a minor scuffle outside a pub in east London and was jailed for ten years in 2013.

Fabian Henry was jailed the same year after he raped a teenage girl in Bristol and groomed and abducted another. Henry, who was 30 at the time, was sentenced to 12 years”.

Yeah they should go- however , the human rights lawyers are queuing up...
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin