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Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #585 on: March 30, 2019, 01:33:09 PM »
In my opinion they began with a preconception. That isn't supposed ro be how cases begin. In my opinion that led them to following certain evidence and ignoring ither evidence. When investigators do that they are seldom successful imo.

I assune you are unable to answer my question. I'm not surprised because I can't imagine how it can be answered in a sarisfactory manner either.
Your opinion is based on nothing but your opinion.  You have absolutely no idea what procedures were carried out by the police and which were not.
No investigation is assured of success ... so in your opinion, we just shouldn't bother?
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #586 on: March 30, 2019, 01:39:08 PM »
just your opinion....i dont think they started with any preconception...they discounted parental involvement based on the evidence....i think that you place to much reliance on the initial statements fr which there is evidence they were not accurately recorded

My opinion is based on the evidence of the remit and Mark Rowley's admission that they assuned the PJ had 'dealt with' the question of parental involvement,

As to the moving door;

What we do now believe is that the abductor had very probably been into the room before Gerry’s check. {madeleine}
No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #587 on: March 30, 2019, 02:01:36 PM »
My opinion is based on the evidence of the remit and Mark Rowley's admission that they assuned the PJ had 'dealt with' the question of parental involvement,

As to the moving door;

What we do now believe is that the abductor had very probably been into the room before Gerry’s check. {madeleine}

Cite for assumed... Otherwise stick to the facts... Rowley never said that... Posting such absolute tripe should not be allowed
« Last Edit: March 30, 2019, 02:03:59 PM by Davel »
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #588 on: March 30, 2019, 03:35:18 PM »
Cite for assumed... Otherwise stick to the facts... Rowley never said that... Posting such absolute tripe should not be allowed

Is accusing people of posting absolute tripe allowed? In my opinion there are some moderators who would delete my post if I accused others of doing that. Quite right too, it's abusive imo. 

No-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance because belief without evidence is useless.

Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #589 on: March 30, 2019, 03:38:56 PM »
Is accusing people of posting absolute tripe allowed? In my opinion there are some moderators who would delete my post if I accused others of doing that. Quite right too, it's abusive imo.

Provide a cite and I will apologise and remove it....I think the truthfulness of posts is far, more important
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Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #590 on: March 30, 2019, 03:58:56 PM »
Is accusing people of posting absolute tripe allowed? In my opinion there are some moderators who would delete my post if I accused others of doing that. Quite right too, it's abusive imo.

You obviously  can't provide a cite because your claim is untrue
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Offline barrier

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #591 on: March 30, 2019, 04:04:18 PM »
What Rowley actually said re: the parents.

Quote
MR: Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the
original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was
all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of
investigation.

Og have never investigated the parents.
 When the legend becomes fact,print the legend.

Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #592 on: March 30, 2019, 04:07:30 PM »
What Rowley actually said re: the parents.

Og have never investigated the parents.

They said they looked at all the material.. That's investigating to me.. Not assuming
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Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #593 on: March 30, 2019, 04:33:04 PM »
What Rowley actually said re: the parents.

Og have never investigated the parents.

British police were active and on the ground throughout the investigation in 2007.  A team from Ceop - the child exploitation and online protection agency were sent out and were active.
Snip
Appeal for holiday snaps to help track Madeleine's abductor
· Specialist British officers join hunt as inquiry wanes
· Photos to be cross-checked with paedophile database
Tue 22 May 2007 23.56 BST
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/22/ukcrime.sandralaville

About that time spent by British police on the ground was Jim Gamble Child protection expert who said at a later date that ...

Snip
"he suspected Mr McCann and wife Kate 'from the very outset' – and even tried to get the father to 'do the right thing' and confess.

But the former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre said he is now convinced the couple were innocent and devastated over their daughter.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6815151/Documentary-reveals-senior-police-officer-suspected-Madeleine-McCanns-father-disappearance.html

When Scotland Yard took on the review of Madeleine's case they would have access to the debriefings of the many British officers who had been active on the ground in Portugal.

The notion that Scotland Yard had no dialogue with Kate and Gerry at this time is nothing short of risible;  they are experts in their field ... I'm no expert, but in a similar situation I would want to hear certain information from the horse's mouth which I think would be nothing less than demanded by protocol and procedure.

The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Eleanor

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #594 on: March 30, 2019, 05:16:49 PM »
Is accusing people of posting absolute tripe allowed? In my opinion there are some moderators who would delete my post if I accused others of doing that. Quite right too, it's abusive imo.

Some of us try to be objective.  Don't knock it.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #595 on: March 30, 2019, 05:39:00 PM »
I wonder what they made of this when they were looking at all the material. Are we allowed to assume they looked at the block booking for the tapas when conducting their thorough review of the original investigation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFL6Jown0LE

What?

Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #596 on: March 30, 2019, 05:43:23 PM »
I wonder what they made of this when they were looking at all the material. Are we allowed to assume they looked at the block booking for the tapas when conducting their thorough review of the original investigation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFL6Jown0LE

You can assume whatever you like but a poster cannot claim as a fact that Rowley assumed anything
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #597 on: March 30, 2019, 05:49:09 PM »
Thank you for confirming what I posted by suggesting my behaviour is abnormal. At least you have admitted that there are thousands of people asking questions.

The question didn't arise until late in 2013, so no-one has been asking it for 12 years.

Do you think Op Grange realised they were triggering questions rather than providing answers when they found Crecheman? How do you think they and the parents would answer that question?
LOL only six years then.  That’s normal.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..

Offline faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #598 on: March 30, 2019, 06:20:09 PM »
Is there any other assumption I can make other than they were both telling blatant lies about they didn't think they were going to get into the tapas? I just don't see any way they could have possibly thought they weren't going to get in, when they knew the tapas was block booked for the entire week, including the 3rd. Any suggestions?

They obviously thought that the public would never see the files.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #599 on: March 30, 2019, 06:32:23 PM »
That's certainly one sensible suggestion imo, I wonder if there will be any others.
Why is it sensible exactly?  Please explain the logic.
“we have carried out a very serious investigation and there is no indication whatsoever Madeleine McCann's parents are linked to her disappearance” - Hans Christian Wolters, German Prosecutor..