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Offline jassi

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #75 on: March 10, 2019, 06:08:32 PM »
Why do they go over these ridiculous things all the time.   Can anyone for instance give a good reason why Kate would say the window and shutter were open if they weren't?

I can't give you an answer as I find it impossible to understand the McCann mindset.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -   Into year 13 and still no solution.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #76 on: March 10, 2019, 06:12:01 PM »
Why do they go over these ridiculous things all the time.   Can anyone for instance give a good reason why Kate would say the window and shutter were open if they weren't?

No open window, no evidence of abduction. It really is that simple.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #77 on: March 10, 2019, 06:13:11 PM »
I’m not sure that in his podcast enterprise Saunokonoko has quite grasped the reality that two internationally respected police forces have been taking measures for a number of years now to properly investigate Madeleine McCann’s case.

Saunokonoko’s podcast appears to be stuck in events from May 2007 to September 2007 and reliant on information which was subsequently dismissed by the Judicial police in their Final Report to the public prosecutors which covered that period and beyond.

Therefore anyone influenced by that snapshot in time is basing ‘what they know’ on information which has been thoroughly checked out and found to be inaccurate, certainly as far as Madeleine’s parents are concerned.

This is a nine episode podcast, be patient.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Lace

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #78 on: March 10, 2019, 06:20:39 PM »
No open window, no evidence of abduction. It really is that simple.

The patio door was open.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #79 on: March 10, 2019, 06:33:28 PM »
It seems if Kate hadn’t said the window was open then people would be more inclined to believe Madeleine had been abducted  *%87
Furthermore they claimed the window was opened but then made sure it was shut when the police got there to make sure they looked really suspicious! 
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #80 on: March 10, 2019, 06:42:20 PM »
The patio door was open.

Madeleine could open the door.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Lace

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #81 on: March 10, 2019, 06:48:10 PM »
Madeleine could open the door.

Yes she could so why do you think the McCann's said the window and shutters were open?   Madeleine wasn't found she was searched for,  everywhere the McCann's had gone that holiday no sign of her.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #82 on: March 10, 2019, 07:04:34 PM »
Yes she could so why do you think the McCann's said the window and shutters were open?   Madeleine wasn't found she was searched for,  everywhere the McCann's had gone that holiday no sign of her.

Because neither Madeleine nor the twins could open the window or shutters so someone else would have had to open them......evidence of abduction. No open window, could simply have been walk and wandered.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Lace

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #83 on: March 10, 2019, 07:16:16 PM »
Because neither Madeleine nor the twins could open the window or shutters so someone else would have had to open them......evidence of abduction. No open window, could simply have been walk and wandered.


Kate said Madeleine wouldn't have gone through the patio doors and shut the curtain behind her, opened the child gate and shut it behind her opened the gate at the bottom of the steps and shut it behind her.   Also someone also said if Madeleine had gone out through the patio doors she would have been drawn to the lights of the Tapas and would have gone down to find her parents.    As for the front door did they find Madeleine's prints on it?

Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #84 on: March 10, 2019, 07:19:55 PM »
Why do they go over these ridiculous things all the time.   Can anyone for instance give a good reason why Kate would say the window and shutter were open if they weren't?

The fact that Rebelo leading his high powered team personally checked the window of Madeleine's bedroom and tested the feasibility by sending a man through it shows I think that he placed great weight on Kate's eye witness testimony and there is no doubt he that he missed nothing in the course of his inspection.

He was a high powered highly motivated career Judicial police officer who wasn't about to let the side down by missing one shred of evidence to confirm the findings of the Amaral investigation ... I believe he must have been dismayed when the evidence took him in the opposite direction.  Leaving the public prosecutors to affirm that nothing which led Amaral's investigation to make them arguidos stood up to scrutiny.
An officer attempts to enter the apartment through Maddie's bedroom window
Rebelo tests scenarios in Luz
Correio da Manha - 30 October 2007
Snip
Paulo Rebelo was even one of the elements of the team who paid most attention to the window, having risen and lowered the shutters several times, apparently evaluating its operation.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/rebelo-tests-scenarios-in-luz-cdm-30-10-07-t2344.html

If the podcast tries to rewrite the fact that the Judicial police and public prosecutors could find no criminal fault in Madeleine's parents it quite frankly is nothing more than a waste of bandwith.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #85 on: March 10, 2019, 07:21:44 PM »
I’m not sure that in his podcast enterprise Saunokonoko has quite grasped the reality that two internationally respected police forces have been taking measures for a number of years now to properly investigate Madeleine McCann’s case.

Saunokonoko’s podcast appears to be stuck in events from May 2007 to September 2007 and reliant on information which was subsequently dismissed by the Judicial police in their Final Report to the public prosecutors which covered that period and beyond.

Therefore anyone influenced by that snapshot in time is basing ‘what they know’ on information which has been thoroughly checked out and found to be inaccurate, certainly as far as Madeleine’s parents are concerned.

The information in the files isn't going to be forgotton no matter how fervently you wish it would. No conclusions were reached and no-one was ruled out at the end of the first investigation.
Accept nothing
Believe no-one
Confirm everything

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #86 on: March 10, 2019, 07:32:06 PM »
The fact that Rebelo leading his high powered team personally checked the window of Madeleine's bedroom and tested the feasibility by sending a man through it shows I think that he placed great weight on Kate's eye witness testimony and there is no doubt he that he missed nothing in the course of his inspection.

He was a high powered highly motivated career Judicial police officer who wasn't about to let the side down by missing one shred of evidence to confirm the findings of the Amaral investigation ... I believe he must have been dismayed when the evidence took him in the opposite direction.  Leaving the public prosecutors to affirm that nothing which led Amaral's investigation to make them arguidos stood up to scrutiny.
An officer attempts to enter the apartment through Maddie's bedroom window
Rebelo tests scenarios in Luz
Correio da Manha - 30 October 2007
Snip
Paulo Rebelo was even one of the elements of the team who paid most attention to the window, having risen and lowered the shutters several times, apparently evaluating its operation.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/rebelo-tests-scenarios-in-luz-cdm-30-10-07-t2344.html

If the podcast tries to rewrite the fact that the Judicial police and public prosecutors could find no criminal fault in Madeleine's parents it quite frankly is nothing more than a waste of bandwith.

And then Rebelo requested a reconstitution which included questions about the window. His investigations obviously threw up more questions than they answered.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #87 on: March 10, 2019, 07:37:10 PM »

Kate said Madeleine wouldn't have gone through the patio doors and shut the curtain behind her, opened the child gate and shut it behind her opened the gate at the bottom of the steps and shut it behind her.   Also someone also said if Madeleine had gone out through the patio doors she would have been drawn to the lights of the Tapas and would have gone down to find her parents.    As for the front door did they find Madeleine's prints on it?

Kate also said to her friends that she and Gerry had left the patio doors open so Madeleine could come and find them if she woke....so which one is it ?

If the window and shutters weren’t open there would be no categorical evidence of abduction.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #88 on: March 10, 2019, 07:47:06 PM »
The information in the files isn't going to be forgotton no matter how fervently you wish it would. No conclusions were reached and no-one was ruled out at the end of the first investigation.
There was no first investigation if your reference is to the one led by Amaral.  The first investigation started in May 2007 ended with the archiving dispatch of 2008.

Amaral was sacked from the investigation and Almeida the author of the interim report in the PJ files left shortly thereafter leaving the threads to be picked up by Rebelo and his highly competent and perfectly qualified team for such an investigation.

Continuing on from what had gone on before ... the Rebelo team found there was no evidence and never had been which justified the path taken by their predecessors.
If there had been they would have continued on that path and invited Kate and Gerry back to Portugal ... which as arguidos they could not refuse to do ... and taken the process forward from there.

There was no evidence and never had been to justify that course of action.  What evidence there was exonerated them ... which is why the public prosecutors said in effect that they never should have been made suspects in the first instance.

The tragedy of all this is that while police time and resources had been misdirected the focus of the police work on Madeleine was lost and goodness knows what initiatives on her behalf were missed.

I think the classic one being the time and effort spent analysing the phone traffic of the victims but apparently entirely ignoring phone traffic between burglars until it was taken up for investigation by Scotland Yard many years down the line.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #89 on: March 10, 2019, 07:59:15 PM »
Kate also said to her friends that she and Gerry had left the patio doors open so Madeleine could come and find them if she woke....so which one is it ?

If the window and shutters weren’t open there would be no categorical evidence of abduction.
apparently there was no evidence that the window was opened either so...?
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.