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Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #225 on: March 24, 2019, 09:34:59 AM »
https://www.9news.com.au/2019/03/23/20/27/madeleine-mccann-dna-car-evidence-could-now-be-solved-maddie-podcast

EXCLUSIVE: Maddie's DNA could be present in crucial samples as world expert rips up 'failed' UK forensic tests

One of the world's leading DNA scientists whose lab helped identify victims of the 9/11 terror attack - has told Nine.com.au he believes he can answer a major forensic question that baffled investigators and could finally help solve what happened to missing girl Madeleine McCann, more than 11 years after she mysteriously vanished.

Speaking in tomorrow's fifth episode of Maddie, an American DNA expert reveals potentially case-changing insights into the DNA samples that were taken from the McCann's holiday apartment and rental car in 2007. Those samples were later judged to be inconclusive.

The chief scientist at a US-based, world renowned lab has reviewed the now out-dated testing methods used by the UK's Forensic Science Service (FSS) in 2007 to analyse the McCann samples. He has also examined a crucial final DNA report that was sent to the Portuguese police.

Portuguese police sent DNA samples to the FSS for testing after two specialist sniffer dogs trained to detect the scent of death and human blood alerted in the McCann's holiday apartment and a rental car hired three weeks after Maddie vanished. The FSS analysed the samples but struggled to untangle and decipher the potentially explosive evidence.

"[The FSS testing] failed in this case 10 years ago," the DNA scientist said.

"If a lab can produce informative data, even if it is complex and mixed, but they can't interpret it then you can have tremendous injustice - of guilty people not being convicted, or innocent people staying in prison. What is needed is an objective and accurate interpretation that can scientifically resolve the DNA."

The inconclusive DNA results from the FSS appeared to cast serious doubt over the earlier work of the cadaver dogs that had searched the potential crime scenes.



Kate and Gerry McCann 'less than convincing', former UK ambassador claims


The US forensic lab has forged a global reputation through solving previously indecipherable DNA samples. It has played a pivotal role in a number of high-profile US criminal trials involving wrongful convictions based on dodgy DNA evidence and controversial prosecutions.

In 2007, the now-closed British lab, the FSS, was forced to undertake a massive review of up to 2000 cases of violent crime, including rape and murder. There were concerns that the DNA tests relating to these criminal cases had failed to detect minute traces of DNA that could potentially have identified guilty parties.

The American DNA scientist will feature in Monday's episode five of Maddie, Nine.com.au's podcast investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance. Maddie quickly reached number one in the UK, Australia and New Zealand iTunes charts.

Whatever is said I don't think any samples were kept so the resuults can never be checked.
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Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #226 on: March 24, 2019, 09:37:31 AM »
Whatever is said I don't think any samples were kept so the resuults can never be checked.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P9/09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2282.jpg
Someone needs to tell saunokoko.. The fact that both parents used the car makes any analysis on a mixed sample impossible
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Offline Lace

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #227 on: March 24, 2019, 09:47:08 AM »
DNA has always been dodgy when it comes to solving Crimes, especially if there is a mixture.


It was a hire car,  god knows how many DNA's were mixed up in it.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #228 on: March 24, 2019, 09:52:36 AM »
It will be Mark Perlin promoting his very expensive  True Allele technique that will be no use in this case... Saunokoko has already shown he doesn't understand the evidence with his claim that Eddie had never been wrong in 200 cases... If he can't get his, basic facts right then he us misleading people with his podcasts..
If Eddie hadn't been wrong in 200 cases I would accept the alerts had value... But the claim simply is not true

If you read Grimes claim it's, easy to misunderstand but being pedantic I read it precisely

What did he mean then ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #229 on: March 24, 2019, 10:14:41 AM »
What did he mean then ?

he means exactly what he said.... suspect you incorrectly think he said eddie has not been wrong in 200 cases...he didnt........you need to be precise in your reading...pedantic if you liike
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Offline barrier

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #230 on: March 24, 2019, 10:24:29 AM »
Whatever is said I don't think any samples were kept so the resuults can never be checked.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/P9/09_VOLUME_IXa_Page_2282.jpg

Strange set of affairs,when you consider dna evidence led to the real killer of Lesley Molseed being found because of a pair of the girls underwear being kept with his dna on them,30 yrs later.
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #231 on: March 24, 2019, 10:25:20 AM »
he means exactly what he said.... suspect you incorrectly think he said eddie has not been wrong in 200 cases...he didnt........you need to be precise in your reading...pedantic if you liike

Again what did he mean ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #232 on: March 24, 2019, 10:31:10 AM »
Again what did he mean ?

He means exactly  what he said... Are you saying after almost 12 years you dint know what he said..  What do you think he said... I'm on my phone so difficult  to copy and paste
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Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #233 on: March 24, 2019, 10:40:37 AM »
Strange set of affairs,when you consider dna evidence led to the real killer of Lesley Molseed being found because of a pair of the girls underwear being kept with his dna on them,30 yrs later.

The FSS follow home office guidelines... The PJ simply had to request the samples were kept
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #234 on: March 24, 2019, 10:42:49 AM »
He means exactly  what he said... Are you saying after almost 12 years you dint know what he said..  What do you think he said... I'm on my phone so difficult  to copy and paste

I want to know what you thought he meant ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline barrier

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #235 on: March 24, 2019, 10:44:17 AM »
The FSS follow home office guidelines... The PJ simply had to request the samples were kept


The guidlines are what? If its to destroy were the PJ made aware? why keep some and destroy others.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #236 on: March 24, 2019, 10:59:21 AM »
Someone needs to tell saunokoko.. The fact that both parents used the car makes any analysis on a mixed sample impossible

Inconclusive means the FSS couldn't give an opinion about the presence of Madeleine's DNA. It wasn't ruled in or out. DNA testing isn't an exact science it involves interpretation.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727733-500-fallible-dna-evidence-can-mean-prison-or-freedom/
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Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #237 on: March 24, 2019, 11:17:09 AM »
Inconclusive means the FSS couldn't give an opinion about the presence of Madeleine's DNA. It wasn't ruled in or out. DNA testing isn't an exact science it involves interpretation.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727733-500-fallible-dna-evidence-can-mean-prison-or-freedom/

DNA can be very precise and interpretation is extremely limited...the facts speak for themselves....it depends on the quality of the sample to how precise the analysis can be...this sample as I understand was from 3 to 5 poeple ....the fact that these could include maddies parents makes any meaningful conclusions basically impossible..the article you are quoting refers to mixed and partial samples
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Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #238 on: March 24, 2019, 11:18:06 AM »
I want to know what you thought he meant ?

In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.



I don't think anything... What he says is quite clear... What do you think he is saying
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Offline barrier

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #239 on: March 24, 2019, 11:45:42 AM »
In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.



I don't think anything... What he says is quite clear... What do you think he is saying

He's saying the dog never alerted to any other than which he was trained for in over 200 operational deployment's.
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