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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #465 on: March 28, 2019, 02:07:58 PM »
IMO because the dog showed interest in what was under the bed, the dog should have been granted access to under the bed in 5D. Eddie was not allowed to free-search in several locations, the search was controlled by the handler. Grime's diction changed from "go find, Eddie" to "no, Eddie, Eddie come (here) on many occasions - the latter instruction was frequently ignored by the dog.

If any old Tom, Dick or Harry could interpret the dog’s behaviour then we’d all be cadaver dog trainers.

I do find it disturbing that in almost all your posts re Grime you appear to be questioning his professionalism. Am I mistaken?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

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« Reply #466 on: March 28, 2019, 02:18:33 PM »
If any old Tom, Dick or Harry could interpret the dog’s behaviour then we’d all be cadaver dog trainers.

I do find it disturbing that in almost all your posts re Grime you appear to be questioning his professionalism. Am I mistaken?

No, you are not mistaken. Why would that be any more disturbing than questioning the honesty of a group of professionals, two of whom have both their daughter's fate & their own lives & liberty at stake? Right or wrong, Grime had nothing to lose in Luz.

Offline Faithlilly

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« Reply #467 on: March 28, 2019, 02:23:39 PM »
No, you are not mistaken. Why would that be any more disturbing than questioning the honesty of a group of professionals, two of whom have both their daughter's fate & their own lives & liberty at stake? Right or wrong, Grime had nothing to lose in Luz.

Let’s be clear, are you saying that Grime deliberately sought to implicate the McCanns ? If so he knew that the alerts would have no worth unless verified by forensics so what would be the point ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

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« Reply #468 on: March 28, 2019, 02:41:53 PM »
Let’s be clear, are you saying that Grime deliberately sought to implicate the McCanns ? If so he knew that the alerts would have no worth unless verified by forensics so what would be the point ?

No, I'm not saying Grime sought to implicate the McCanns; that was the PJ's remit imo. Fortunately for the McCanns, the corroborating forensics located were not sent to the INML & used as they were in the Cipriano case.
What I am saying is that the dog should have been allowed to free-search for what it was trained to find - Eddie shouldn't have needed controlling if he was the world's best.

Offline Faithlilly

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« Reply #469 on: March 28, 2019, 02:54:00 PM »
No, I'm not saying Grime sought to implicate the McCanns; that was the PJ's remit imo. Fortunately for the McCanns, the corroborating forensics located were not sent to the INML & used as they were in the Cipriano case.
What I am saying is that the dog should have been allowed to free-search for what it was trained to find - Eddie shouldn't have needed controlling if he was the world's best.

But Grime must have colluded with the PJ as must Mark Harrison as I believe he accompanied Grime.

What you seem to be saying is the PJ, Grime, Harrison and the INML all colluded to set up the McCanns. Is this correct ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

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« Reply #470 on: March 28, 2019, 02:59:55 PM »
But Grime must have colluded with the PJ as must Mark Harrison as I believe he accompanied Grime.

What you seem to be saying is the PJ, Grime, Harrison and the INML all colluded to set up the McCanns. Is this correct ?

No.

Offline Faithlilly

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« Reply #471 on: March 28, 2019, 03:13:20 PM »
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

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Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #472 on: March 28, 2019, 04:40:19 PM »
But Grime must have colluded with the PJ as must Mark Harrison as I believe he accompanied Grime.

What you seem to be saying is the PJ, Grime, Harrison and the INML all colluded to set up the McCanns. Is this correct ?
Emphasise might be a better term than set up. 
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« Reply #473 on: March 28, 2019, 05:36:25 PM »
If any old Tom, Dick or Harry could interpret the dog’s behaviour then we’d all be cadaver dog trainers.
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I do find it disturbing that in almost all your posts re Grime you appear to be questioning his professionalism. Am I mistaken?

I understand  Sil has trained a fully operational cadaver dog..
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #474 on: March 28, 2019, 05:40:32 PM »
I understand  Sil has trained a fully operational cadaver dog..
I wonder what qualifications Grime has that makes him a supreme interpreter of dog behaviour?  Can you get an ology in dog barks?
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« Reply #475 on: March 28, 2019, 05:42:52 PM »
Then please explain ?

I can't explain why Grime concluded that Eddie had alerted to certain items e.g. CC & the tiles behind the sofa when it's apparent from the video he didn't.
I can't explain why Eddie alerted to a minute piece of blood deposited on a key inside the glove pocket of a closed vehicle but didn't find a single trace on the streets of Luz or in any other apartment examined bar 5A.
I can't explain why Grime & Harrison allowed the dogs to examine clothing which had not been individually bagged as per ACPO guidelines and, furthermore, handled by multiple people during the transfer from villa to gym.
I can't explain why Grime used a video which was part of police evidence in an ongoing case to promote his dogs for the purpose of obtaining freelance work in another police case.
Can you explain why this "police work" should be deemed professional and, as I haven't yet listened to Saunokonoko's take on the dogs, why he would think any of the forensics harvested from the dog searches could one day solve the case?

Offline Faithlilly

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« Reply #476 on: March 28, 2019, 06:45:13 PM »
I can't explain why Grime concluded that Eddie had alerted to certain items e.g. CC & the tiles behind the sofa when it's apparent from the video he didn't.
I can't explain why Eddie alerted to a minute piece of blood deposited on a key inside the glove pocket of a closed vehicle but didn't find a single trace on the streets of Luz or in any other apartment examined bar 5A.
I can't explain why Grime & Harrison allowed the dogs to examine clothing which had not been individually bagged as per ACPO guidelines and, furthermore, handled by multiple people during the transfer from villa to gym.
I can't explain why Grime used a video which was part of police evidence in an ongoing case to promote his dogs for the purpose of obtaining freelance work in another police case.
Can you explain why this "police work" should be deemed professional and, as I haven't yet listened to Saunokonoko's take on the dogs, why he would think any of the forensics harvested from the dog searches could one day solve the case?

Then you need to make up your mind. Either Grime, Harrison et al conspired to set up the McCanns as you seem to be implying or they didn’t. Please answer with an answer and not more questions.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2019, 06:57:25 PM by Faithlilly »
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

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Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #477 on: March 28, 2019, 06:56:15 PM »
Then you need to make up your mind. Either Grime, Harrison et al conspired to set up the McCanns as you seem to imply or they didn’t. Please answer with an answer and not more questions.
It would be still opinion.   There seems to be a discontinuity between what Grime says and does on the video.  Was it done subconsciously?
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« Reply #478 on: March 28, 2019, 07:23:26 PM »
I wonder if Grime has ever been to a suspected crime scene and his digs have not alerted
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Offline Faithlilly

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« Reply #479 on: March 28, 2019, 07:44:19 PM »
I wonder if Grime has ever been to a suspected crime scene and his digs have not alerted

I would have thought so, if a cadaver hadn’t been present at some point.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.