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Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #450 on: March 28, 2019, 07:56:08 PM »
I wonder if Grime has ever been to a suspected crime scene and his digs have not alerted

The Murat residence for one.  8(0(*
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Online Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #451 on: March 28, 2019, 07:57:08 PM »
You can't explain? Perhaps that's because you know nothing about how these matters are organised. Everything you question is probably nothing unisual if you understand it all, which Grime and Harrison did. All you need to know is that both men were the best the UK had.

They worked together as the experts advising all UK police forces. If your criticisms are valid then ACPO were offering advisers who were inadequate. You are saying that ACPO's judgement was faulty. You are also accusing the FBI of faulty judgement when they praised Grime's expertise.

Do you really think that you spotted mistakes which none of those others spotted? I find that idea ludicrous.

All IMO, obviously.

Harrison said no inference can be drawn from the alerts...you know what Grime said... Absolutely  valueless
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #452 on: March 28, 2019, 08:07:12 PM »
You can't explain? Perhaps that's because you know nothing about how these matters are organised. Everything you question is probably nothing unisual if you understand it all, which Grime and Harrison did. All you need to know is that both men were the best the UK had.

They worked together as the experts advising all UK police forces. If your criticisms are valid then ACPO were offering advisers who were inadequate. You are saying that ACPO's judgement was faulty. You are also accusing the FBI of faulty judgement when they praised Grime's expertise.

Do you really think that you spotted mistakes which none of those others spotted? I find that idea ludicrous.

All IMO, obviously.
You do realise you do this all the time on this forum donít you?  IMO.
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #453 on: March 28, 2019, 08:18:22 PM »

I'm not bothered what you think I'm asking a factual question

You asked a question and I answered it.

Can I suggest if you want a definitive answer you do some research ?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #454 on: March 28, 2019, 09:24:14 PM »
Harrison said no inference can be drawn from the alerts...you know what Grime said... Absolutely  valueless

If the results are absolutely valueless there's no need whatsoever to try and discredit their methodology, is there? Also, if their search methods were inadequate why believe their words?
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Online Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #455 on: March 28, 2019, 09:33:40 PM »
If the results are absolutely valueless there's no need whatsoever to try and discredit their methodology, is there? Also, if their search methods were inadequate why believe their words?

Your post doesn't make a lot of sense... Imo
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #456 on: March 28, 2019, 09:46:26 PM »
Your post doesn't make a lot of sense... Imo

Were they incompetent as one person is arguing? Or were they competent as you seem to be suggesting?
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Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #457 on: March 28, 2019, 09:54:41 PM »
You can't explain? Perhaps that's because you know nothing about how these matters are organised. Everything you question is probably nothing unisual if you understand it all, which Grime and Harrison did. All you need to know is that both men were the best the UK had.

They worked together as the experts advising all UK police forces. If your criticisms are valid then ACPO were offering advisers who were inadequate. You are saying that ACPO's judgement was faulty. You are also accusing the FBI of faulty judgement when they praised Grime's expertise.

Do you really think that you spotted mistakes which none of those others spotted? I find that idea ludicrous.

All IMO, obviously.

Harrison's expertise was geo-forensics & locating missing people, not cadaver dog handling. He worked for NPIA, not ACPO.
To the best of my knowledge, Eddie was Grime's first cadaver dog. His CV was with NPIA - was that standard practice for all serving UK police dog handlers?
I am not the only person on this forum to conclude that Eddie did not alert to CC & my earlier post did not include that claim.
Instead of criticising what I can't explain after watching the Luz video & copious amounts of research (bearing in mind I could be on a jury asked to consider similar evidence) perhaps you could present the dog evidence in a form other than "because Grime said so..."

Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #458 on: March 28, 2019, 10:30:57 PM »
Tell me, when you were conducting this research, did you ever discover what exact date they were told about the dogs going to PDL?

Who is "they"?

Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #459 on: March 28, 2019, 10:38:29 PM »
Sorry, the McCanns?

What relevance does that date have to the subsequent dog deployments?

Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #460 on: March 28, 2019, 10:52:05 PM »
I never said it had any relevance, I was only asking. Do you know at all, and who it was that told them?

In Harrison's report of 23(?) July 2007 he referred to the use of a VRD dog team & an EVRD + CSI blood dog. He only costed the EVRD + CSI dog. Therefore any decision to only use Eddie & Keela must have been made on or after that date but I don't know offhand who told the McCanns. Gerry had previously asked for specialist dogs from the UK to be deployed & the UK police had offered such a service to the PJ in the early days but the PJ declined.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #461 on: March 28, 2019, 10:54:12 PM »
Harrison's expertise was geo-forensics & locating missing people, not cadaver dog handling. He worked for NPIA, not ACPO.
To the best of my knowledge, Eddie was Grime's first cadaver dog. His CV was with NPIA - was that standard practice for all serving UK police dog handlers?
I am not the only person on this forum to conclude that Eddie did not alert to CC & my earlier post did not include that claim.
Instead of criticising what I can't explain after watching the Luz video & copious amounts of research (bearing in mind I could be on a jury asked to consider similar evidence) perhaps you could present the dog evidence in a form other than "because Grime said so..."

So the National Polucing Improvement Agency were sending out two men to advise all UK police agencies and they never noticed those men were incompetent?  &%%6 how clever are you!!





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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #462 on: March 28, 2019, 11:04:56 PM »
So the National Polucing Improvement Agency were sending out two men to advise all UK police agencies and they never noticed those men were incompetent?  &%%6 how clever are you!!
There is incompetence in all areas of both the public and private sectors and at all levels from CEO to cleaner, the police are certainly not exempt- did you watch the Yorkshire Ripper documentary?
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Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #463 on: March 28, 2019, 11:12:45 PM »
So the National Polucing Improvement Agency were sending out two men to advise all UK police agencies and they never noticed those men were incompetent?  &%%6 how clever are you!!

I'm at a loss to understand what you mean. Harrison was sent out to consider where Madeleine's body may have been buried, had she been murdered, based on his knowledge of geo-forensics. That's his specialist field (hence his involvement in the searches for flight MH370 which didn't require dogs). He wasn't qualified to recognise the capability levels of a cadaver dog or handler & if a dog's record is based on the number of bodies it locates then Eddie didn't score very highly imo.

Online pathfinder73

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #464 on: March 28, 2019, 11:24:19 PM »
In Harrison's report of 23(?) July 2007 he referred to the use of a VRD dog team & an EVRD + CSI blood dog. He only costed the EVRD + CSI dog. Therefore any decision to only use Eddie & Keela must have been made on or after that date but I don't know offhand who told the McCanns. Gerry had previously asked for specialist dogs from the UK to be deployed & the UK police had offered such a service to the PJ in the early days but the PJ declined.

Mark Harrison knew all about these dogs well before the McCann case.

31 DEC 2005

Her handler, Pc Martin Grime, has been responsible for training Keela, along with National Search Adviser Mark Harrison, since June last year.

Keela, a 16-month-old springer spaniel, can sniff out the smallest samples of human blood - even after items have been cleaned or washed many times.

A South Yorkshire force spokeswoman said Keela - officially a crime scene investigation dog - has saved more then £200,000 nationally since April this year, helping with investigations in Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and the Thames Valley.

 http://eddieandkeela.blogspot.com/2005/12/how-police-dog-earns-more-than-top.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.