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Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #465 on: March 28, 2019, 11:31:18 PM »
Tell me, when you were conducting this research, did you ever discover what exact date they were told about the dogs going to PDL?

According to Kate's book they may have been told on 18th July, but she isn't soecific about who told them. She says the NPIA received the request on 20th July and Harrison must have moved fast as his first report was written on 23rd. Gerry McCann flew to Washington that day. On 20th Jose de Freitas visited their villa and said something about the planning for the searches.
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Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #466 on: March 28, 2019, 11:42:59 PM »
Seems a strange request from Gerry don't you think given he viewed these specialist dogs as incredibly unreliable?
However, Harrison was actually sent on the 20th of July prior to writing his report. Gerry was in direct telephone contact with Stuart Prior between 3rd to 19th July and hey presto 12th of July cuddle cat goes into the washing machine.
I make absolutely no apologies for refusing point blank to buy the 'it was filthy with suntan lotion' excuse - no way. IMO no normal grieving mother or father washes their missing child's soft toy while their still missing. If so, cite a single example? I lost a handicapped sister some years ago and she had a soft toy that's a small dog of all things, it's dirty, it's dusty it's got her soul all over it. The thought of putting it through a wash will never enter my head. They had 70 days to wash the toy, the fact is, they choose to do it around the time of learning about the dogs, 12th July. Martin Grimes said the dog alerted to the toy and Kate popping it into the washing confirms that alert without any doubt to me.
From my personal experience, no amount of research on cadaver dogs will ever mitigate two innocent parents of a missing child washing their missing daughter's soft toy. Just doesn't happen imo.

I am sorry for your loss and assume your sister's toy dog remained within the confines of your home rather than carried around a holiday resort by mum & siblings.
From Kate's diary http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/19-Sep8/NOTW-14-09-08.htm
THURSDAY, JULY 12: I hate the person who took my Madeleine'the same one who has caused all this trouble, who made us feel worthless and mistrustful and mainly who has frightened my beautiful Madeleine. I will never forgive that person/those people for this. Never.

Today I washed the Cuddle Cat (Madeleine's favourite soft toy and a constant comfort to heartbroken Kate). I was hoping not to have to do it until Madeleine returns, but it was now quite dirty and smelly, unfortunately without the smell of Madeleine on it. XX


Please then read the entry of Wed 18th July 2007.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #467 on: March 28, 2019, 11:43:29 PM »
Seems a strange request from Gerry don't you think given he viewed these specialist dogs as incredibly unreliable?
However, Harrison was actually sent on the 20th of July prior to writing his report. Gerry was in direct telephone contact with Stuart Prior between 3rd to 19th July and hey presto 12th of July cuddle cat goes into the washing machine.
I make absolutely no apologies for refusing point blank to buy the 'it was filthy with suntan lotion' excuse - no way. IMO no normal grieving mother or father washes their missing child's soft toy while their still missing. If so, cite a single example? I lost a handicapped sister some years ago and she had a soft toy that's a small dog of all things, it's dirty, it's dusty it's got her soul all over it. The thought of putting it through a wash will never enter my head. They had 70 days to wash the toy, the fact is, they choose to do it around the time of learning about the dogs, 12th July. Martin Grimes said the dog alerted to the toy and Kate popping it into the washing confirms that alert without any doubt to me.
From my personal experience, no amount of research on cadaver dogs will ever mitigate two innocent parents of a missing child washing their missing daughter's soft toy. Just doesn't happen imo.

My grandson was killed in an RTA 7 years ago and my daughter still has his unwashed clothes. Madeleine's clothes went to the laundry almost straight away. 
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #468 on: March 28, 2019, 11:45:21 PM »
Seems a strange request from Gerry don't you think given he viewed these specialist dogs as incredibly unreliable?
However, Harrison was actually sent on the 20th of July prior to writing his report. Gerry was in direct telephone contact with Stuart Prior between 3rd to 19th July and hey presto 12th of July cuddle cat goes into the washing machine.
I make absolutely no apologies for refusing point blank to buy the 'it was filthy with suntan lotion' excuse - no way. IMO no normal grieving mother or father washes their missing child's soft toy while their still missing. If so, cite a single example? I lost a handicapped sister some years ago and she had a soft toy that's a small dog of all things, it's dirty, it's dusty it's got her soul all over it. The thought of putting it through a wash will never enter my head. They had 70 days to wash the toy, the fact is, they choose to do it around the time of learning about the dogs, 12th July. Martin Grimes said the dog alerted to the toy and Kate popping it into the washing confirms that alert without any doubt to me.
From my personal experience, no amount of research on cadaver dogs will ever mitigate two innocent parents of a missing child washing their missing daughter's soft toy. Just doesn't happen imo.
What personal experience have you had of innocent parents of missing children and their soft toy cleanliness regimes?
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #469 on: March 28, 2019, 11:47:51 PM »
My grandson was killed in an RTA 7 years ago and my daughter still has his unwashed clothes. Madeleine's clothes went to the laundry almost straight away.
I am sorry for your loss but what is the point of tnis observation ?
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Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #470 on: March 28, 2019, 11:50:53 PM »
Mark Harrison knew all about these dogs well before the McCann case.

31 DEC 2005

Her handler, Pc Martin Grime, has been responsible for training Keela, along with National Search Adviser Mark Harrison, since June last year.

Keela, a 16-month-old springer spaniel, can sniff out the smallest samples of human blood - even after items have been cleaned or washed many times.

A South Yorkshire force spokeswoman said Keela - officially a crime scene investigation dog - has saved more then £200,000 nationally since April this year, helping with investigations in Ireland, Cornwall, Wiltshire, Surrey and the Thames Valley.

 http://eddieandkeela.blogspot.com/2005/12/how-police-dog-earns-more-than-top.html

How did that joint training come about, given that Grime worked for SYP (living in Doncaster?) & Harrison worked for Bedford police & was often deployed abroad?

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #471 on: March 28, 2019, 11:53:08 PM »
I am sorry for your loss but what is the point of tnis observation ?

If you read Cheeky Monkey's post you will understand.
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #472 on: March 29, 2019, 12:06:31 AM »
My grandson was killed in an RTA 7 years ago and my daughter still has his unwashed clothes. Madeleine's clothes went to the laundry almost straight away.

And her sticker book was torn to pieces. Surely it should have been treasured not destroyed?
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Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #473 on: March 29, 2019, 12:15:48 AM »
I was only providing a personal example, I wasn't looking for sympathy but thanks all the same, it's not went unnoticed.
With all due respect, there is nothing in Kate's diary from any day, which I believe she wrote to be read anyway, that mitigates her washing her missing daughter's soft toy imo. It's going to take an alive Madeleine McCann to convince me otherwise on that one. It's because she washed it, and we don't know how many times, that proves beyond all reasonable doubt in my mind, the alert to the toy was an accurate one.
IMO innocent parents just do not wash their missing child's soft toys. If you think they do, then that's your opinion, definitely not mine. I find the whole idea simply not believable and there's not a thing I can do about that. Good old East End of Glasgow human intuition I suppose. It's never let me down yet.

Once upon a time on this forum there was a super-observant poster called Pegasus. The CC alert was discussed at length & from his observations by freeze-framing the sequence of images immediately before Eddie barked we learned that Eddie's nose had been pointed at the dining table top & not the cupboard from which CC was retrieved & displayed. May I recommend you try that process & your opinion may change - and bear in mind the PJ also questioned why the dog passed by & played with CC in the living area without alerting more than once.
As to washing the toy - I probably would have washed it after 2 months if it was becoming a health hazard to my other children.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #474 on: March 29, 2019, 12:16:55 AM »
My personal experience is with my late handicapped sister's soft toy and my non cleaning regime. If you have examples of innocent parents washing their missing children's favorite soft toys while their still missing I'll be more than willing to listen to them?

I think the McCanns are the exception rather than the rule.
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #475 on: March 29, 2019, 12:18:06 AM »
Once upon a time on this forum there was a super-observant poster called Pegasus. The CC alert was discussed at length & from his observations by freeze-framing the sequence of images immediately before Eddie barked we learned that Eddie's nose had been pointed at the dining table top & not the cupboard from which CC was retrieved & displayed. May I recommend you try that process & your opinion may change - and bear in mind the PJ also questioned why the dog passed by & played with CC in the living area without alerting more than once.
As to washing the toy - I probably would have washed it after 2 months if it was becoming a health hazard to my other children.

I would have put it in something protective. I certainly would never have thought of using it as a prop ( I believe in the villa footage with Eddie CC was thrown in a corner ).
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Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #476 on: March 29, 2019, 12:23:02 AM »
I would have put it in something protective. I certainly would never have thought of using it as a prop ( I believe in the villa footage with Eddie CC was thrown in a corner ).

IMO if the police had done their job properly CC would have been suitably protected in an evidence bag from 4th May 2007...but there we go.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #477 on: March 29, 2019, 12:36:53 AM »
IMO if the police had done their job properly CC would have been suitably protected in an evidence bag from 4th May 2007...but there we go.

But he wasnít and it appears was cast aside in a corner when not needed for the cameras.
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Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #478 on: March 29, 2019, 12:42:42 AM »
But he wasnít and it appears was cast aside in a corner when not needed for the cameras.

The PJ were filming the exercise at the villa - so who put CC in the bin? Didn't Jon Corner say PJ wanted CC left at the villa but the parents out of it?

ETA

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id161.htm
Jon Corner - Panorama documentary


 
"CORNER: Well this is the bizarre thing Richard because the police said to Kate and Gerry: "Yeah, we're going to be coming along, we want to do some forensics." And Kate and Gerry were massively optimistic about this. You've got to remember if your daughter is missing and the police phone you and say: "We want to do some forensics, that's a straw that you hang onto. That's a moment for optimism.
 
- Just earlier in the documentary, Corner had said this:
 
CORNER: They took most of their clothing, they were taking even the wet clothes out of the washing machine. I was aware that the cuddlecat was boxed up and we were asked to leave the villa."
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #479 on: March 29, 2019, 01:04:24 AM »
The PJ were filming the exercise at the villa - so who put CC in the bin? Didn't Jon Corner say PJ wanted CC left at the villa but the parents out of it?

ETA

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id161.htm
Jon Corner - Panorama documentary


 
"CORNER: Well this is the bizarre thing Richard because the police said to Kate and Gerry: "Yeah, we're going to be coming along, we want to do some forensics." And Kate and Gerry were massively optimistic about this. You've got to remember if your daughter is missing and the police phone you and say: "We want to do some forensics, that's a straw that you hang onto. That's a moment for optimism.
 
- Just earlier in the documentary, Corner had said this:
 
CORNER: They took most of their clothing, they were taking even the wet clothes out of the washing machine. I was aware that the cuddlecat was boxed up and we were asked to leave the villa."

Yet we now know that the by this time the McCanns knew that the police suspected them of not telling the truth and would have known that any forensic searches that were being carried out were not a cause for optimism. So either the parents didnít tell their friend Corner that the PJ suspected them or Corner is being dishonest in stating that the parents were optimistic about the searches.

I love these old interviews. So revealing when compared with what we know now.
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