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Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #510 on: March 29, 2019, 12:06:13 AM »
What personal experience have you had of innocent parents of missing children and their soft toy cleanliness regimes?
My personal experience is with my late handicapped sister's soft toy and my non cleaning regime. If you have examples of innocent parents washing their missing children's favorite soft toys while their still missing I'll be more than willing to listen to them?
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #511 on: March 29, 2019, 12:06:31 AM »
My grandson was killed in an RTA 7 years ago and my daughter still has his unwashed clothes. Madeleine's clothes went to the laundry almost straight away.

And her sticker book was torn to pieces. Surely it should have been treasured not destroyed?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #512 on: March 29, 2019, 12:15:48 AM »
I was only providing a personal example, I wasn't looking for sympathy but thanks all the same, it's not went unnoticed.
With all due respect, there is nothing in Kate's diary from any day, which I believe she wrote to be read anyway, that mitigates her washing her missing daughter's soft toy imo. It's going to take an alive Madeleine McCann to convince me otherwise on that one. It's because she washed it, and we don't know how many times, that proves beyond all reasonable doubt in my mind, the alert to the toy was an accurate one.
IMO innocent parents just do not wash their missing child's soft toys. If you think they do, then that's your opinion, definitely not mine. I find the whole idea simply not believable and there's not a thing I can do about that. Good old East End of Glasgow human intuition I suppose. It's never let me down yet.

Once upon a time on this forum there was a super-observant poster called Pegasus. The CC alert was discussed at length & from his observations by freeze-framing the sequence of images immediately before Eddie barked we learned that Eddie's nose had been pointed at the dining table top & not the cupboard from which CC was retrieved & displayed. May I recommend you try that process & your opinion may change - and bear in mind the PJ also questioned why the dog passed by & played with CC in the living area without alerting more than once.
As to washing the toy - I probably would have washed it after 2 months if it was becoming a health hazard to my other children.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #513 on: March 29, 2019, 12:16:55 AM »
My personal experience is with my late handicapped sister's soft toy and my non cleaning regime. If you have examples of innocent parents washing their missing children's favorite soft toys while their still missing I'll be more than willing to listen to them?

I think the McCanns are the exception rather than the rule.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #514 on: March 29, 2019, 12:18:06 AM »
Once upon a time on this forum there was a super-observant poster called Pegasus. The CC alert was discussed at length & from his observations by freeze-framing the sequence of images immediately before Eddie barked we learned that Eddie's nose had been pointed at the dining table top & not the cupboard from which CC was retrieved & displayed. May I recommend you try that process & your opinion may change - and bear in mind the PJ also questioned why the dog passed by & played with CC in the living area without alerting more than once.
As to washing the toy - I probably would have washed it after 2 months if it was becoming a health hazard to my other children.

I would have put it in something protective. I certainly would never have thought of using it as a prop ( I believe in the villa footage with Eddie CC was thrown in a corner ).
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #515 on: March 29, 2019, 12:23:02 AM »
I would have put it in something protective. I certainly would never have thought of using it as a prop ( I believe in the villa footage with Eddie CC was thrown in a corner ).

IMO if the police had done their job properly CC would have been suitably protected in an evidence bag from 4th May 2007...but there we go.

Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #516 on: March 29, 2019, 12:29:40 AM »
Once upon a time on this forum there was a super-observant poster called Pegasus. The CC alert was discussed at length & from his observations by freeze-framing the sequence of images immediately before Eddie barked we learned that Eddie's nose had been pointed at the dining table top & not the cupboard from which CC was retrieved & displayed. May I recommend you try that process & your opinion may change - and bear in mind the PJ also questioned why the dog passed by & played with CC in the living area without alerting more than once.
As to washing the toy - I probably would have washed it after 2 months if it was becoming a health hazard to my other children.
My opinion will change if I see an alive Madeleine McCann. Otherwise forget it. Innocent parents just don't wash their missing child's favorite soft toys. It is really that simple. My sister's dirty old toy has been 16 years in my possession, it's never caused anyone in my home ill health.
If your happy with Kate's excuse who am I to question you. Fortunately, I'm the one with the East End of Glasgow intuition. It's never let me down yet, and there's absolutely no doubt it won't let me down now. You'll never convince me innocent parents wash their missing child's favorite soft toys when their still missing. That simply just does not happen. I'd put that one in the myths basket if I were you.
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #517 on: March 29, 2019, 12:36:53 AM »
IMO if the police had done their job properly CC would have been suitably protected in an evidence bag from 4th May 2007...but there we go.

But he wasnít and it appears was cast aside in a corner when not needed for the cameras.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #518 on: March 29, 2019, 12:42:42 AM »
But he wasnít and it appears was cast aside in a corner when not needed for the cameras.

The PJ were filming the exercise at the villa - so who put CC in the bin? Didn't Jon Corner say PJ wanted CC left at the villa but the parents out of it?

ETA

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id161.htm
Jon Corner - Panorama documentary


 
"CORNER: Well this is the bizarre thing Richard because the police said to Kate and Gerry: "Yeah, we're going to be coming along, we want to do some forensics." And Kate and Gerry were massively optimistic about this. You've got to remember if your daughter is missing and the police phone you and say: "We want to do some forensics, that's a straw that you hang onto. That's a moment for optimism.
 
- Just earlier in the documentary, Corner had said this:
 
CORNER: They took most of their clothing, they were taking even the wet clothes out of the washing machine. I was aware that the cuddlecat was boxed up and we were asked to leave the villa."
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Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #519 on: March 29, 2019, 12:55:00 AM »
The PJ were filming the exercise at the villa - so who put CC in the bin? Didn't Jon Corner say PJ wanted CC left at the villa but the parents out of it?

ETA

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id161.htm
Jon Corner - Panorama documentary


 
"CORNER: Well this is the bizarre thing Richard because the police said to Kate and Gerry: "Yeah, we're going to be coming along, we want to do some forensics." And Kate and Gerry were massively optimistic about this. You've got to remember if your daughter is missing and the police phone you and say: "We want to do some forensics, that's a straw that you hang onto. That's a moment for optimism.
 
- Just earlier in the documentary, Corner had said this:
 
CORNER: They took most of their clothing, they were taking even the wet clothes out of the washing machine. I was aware that the cuddlecat was boxed up and we were asked to leave the villa."
It's always intrigued me to learn if the clothes went into the wash before the police warned them they were coming along or after. She likes her washing machine our Kate. Her timing is not missed on us either.
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #520 on: March 29, 2019, 01:04:24 AM »
The PJ were filming the exercise at the villa - so who put CC in the bin? Didn't Jon Corner say PJ wanted CC left at the villa but the parents out of it?

ETA

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id161.htm
Jon Corner - Panorama documentary


 
"CORNER: Well this is the bizarre thing Richard because the police said to Kate and Gerry: "Yeah, we're going to be coming along, we want to do some forensics." And Kate and Gerry were massively optimistic about this. You've got to remember if your daughter is missing and the police phone you and say: "We want to do some forensics, that's a straw that you hang onto. That's a moment for optimism.
 
- Just earlier in the documentary, Corner had said this:
 
CORNER: They took most of their clothing, they were taking even the wet clothes out of the washing machine. I was aware that the cuddlecat was boxed up and we were asked to leave the villa."

Yet we now know that the by this time the McCanns knew that the police suspected them of not telling the truth and would have known that any forensic searches that were being carried out were not a cause for optimism. So either the parents didnít tell their friend Corner that the PJ suspected them or Corner is being dishonest in stating that the parents were optimistic about the searches.

I love these old interviews. So revealing when compared with what we know now.
« Last Edit: March 29, 2019, 01:07:57 AM by Faithlilly »
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #521 on: March 29, 2019, 01:11:13 AM »
Yet we now know that the by this time the McCanns knew that the police suspected them of not telling the truth and would have known that any forensic searches that were being carried out were not a cause for optimism. So either the parents didnít tell their friend Corner that the PJ suspected them or Corner is being dishonest in stating that the parents were optimistic about the searches.

I love these old interviews. So revealing when compared with what we know now.

Surely it was a cause for optimism when all items taken by the PJ were returned without being retained for further analysis, despite what was being leaked to the press?

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #522 on: March 29, 2019, 01:16:23 AM »
Surely it was a cause for optimism when all items taken by the PJ were returned without being retained for further analysis, despite what was being leaked to the press?

But thatís not what Corner says. He said the parents were optimistic about the searches taking place which we know is simply not true as they knew they were suspected of having a part in their daughterís disappearance. Do you think Corner wasnít told or was he simply lying ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline misty

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #523 on: March 29, 2019, 01:27:21 AM »
But thatís not what Corner says. He said the parents were optimistic about the searches taking place which we know is simply not true as they knew they were suspected of having a part in their daughterís disappearance. Do you think Corner wasnít told or was he simply lying ?

I've no idea what he was told but he did say he didn't share their optimism at the time. Possibly Kate & Gerry mistakenly thought PJ had some DNA from a suspect & wanted to match it to specific items in the McCanns' possession - as you would if you were innocent & very little else was being done to find Madeleine.
I wonder why the villa was searched by Eddie before Casa Liliana was?

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #524 on: March 29, 2019, 01:32:25 AM »
I've no idea what he was told but he did say he didn't share their optimism at the time. Possibly Kate & Gerry mistakenly thought PJ had some DNA from a suspect & wanted to match it to specific items in the McCanns' possession - as you would if you were innocent & very little else was being done to find Madeleine.
I wonder why the villa was searched by Eddie before Casa Liliana was?

I think the parents werenít as niave as you appear to be
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.