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Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #660 on: March 30, 2019, 11:41:32 AM »
The Met officers attached to Operation Grange are I hope following procedures and following evidence which is why they and not the investigators of May 2007 were successful in finding a man who had been 'hiding in plain sight' from 2007 till 2013.

Neither they nor Madeleine's parents owe any explanation to members of the public while there is an active investigation in progress regarding Madeleine's disappearance and why it is expected that they should is a question I would ask.

You hope they're following procedures and evidence? That suggests you're not completely sure. I didn't say anyone owed anyone an expplanation, I asked for your opinion about what the explanation might be.

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Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #661 on: March 30, 2019, 11:46:55 AM »
You hope they're following procedures and evidence? That suggests you're not completely sure. I didn't say anyone owed anyone an expplanation, I asked for your opinion about what the explanation might be.
I am sure they are following procedures part of which is following the evidence.  Particularly that from 2007 which they had to play 'catch-up' with ... for example, the man carrying his daughter home.

The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #662 on: March 30, 2019, 12:38:21 PM »
I am sure they are following procedures part of which is following the evidence.  Particularly that from 2007 which they had to play 'catch-up' with ... for example, the man carrying his daughter home.

In my opinion they began with a preconception. That isn't supposed ro be how cases begin. In my opinion that led them to following certain evidence and ignoring ither evidence. When investigators do that they are seldom successful imo.

I assune you are unable to answer my question. I'm not surprised because I can't imagine how it can be answered in a sarisfactory manner either.
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Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #663 on: March 30, 2019, 12:44:13 PM »
In my opinion they began with a preconception. That isn't supposed ro be how cases begin. In my opinion that led them to following certain evidence and ignoring ither evidence. When investigators do that they are seldom successful imo.

I assune you are unable to answer my question. I'm not surprised because I can't imagine how it can be answered in a sarisfactory manner either.

just your opinion....i dont think they started with any preconception...they discounted parental involvement based on the evidence....i think that you place to much reliance on the initial statements fr which there is evidence they were not accurately recorded
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Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #664 on: March 30, 2019, 01:33:09 PM »
In my opinion they began with a preconception. That isn't supposed ro be how cases begin. In my opinion that led them to following certain evidence and ignoring ither evidence. When investigators do that they are seldom successful imo.

I assune you are unable to answer my question. I'm not surprised because I can't imagine how it can be answered in a sarisfactory manner either.
Your opinion is based on nothing but your opinion.  You have absolutely no idea what procedures were carried out by the police and which were not.
No investigation is assured of success ... so in your opinion, we just shouldn't bother?
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #665 on: March 30, 2019, 01:39:08 PM »
just your opinion....i dont think they started with any preconception...they discounted parental involvement based on the evidence....i think that you place to much reliance on the initial statements fr which there is evidence they were not accurately recorded

My opinion is based on the evidence of the remit and Mark Rowley's admission that they assuned the PJ had 'dealt with' the question of parental involvement,

As to the moving door;

What we do now believe is that the abductor had very probably been into the room before Gerry’s check. {madeleine}
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Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #666 on: March 30, 2019, 02:01:36 PM »
My opinion is based on the evidence of the remit and Mark Rowley's admission that they assuned the PJ had 'dealt with' the question of parental involvement,

As to the moving door;

What we do now believe is that the abductor had very probably been into the room before Gerry’s check. {madeleine}

Cite for assumed... Otherwise stick to the facts... Rowley never said that... Posting such absolute tripe should not be allowed
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #667 on: March 30, 2019, 03:35:18 PM »
Cite for assumed... Otherwise stick to the facts... Rowley never said that... Posting such absolute tripe should not be allowed

Is accusing people of posting absolute tripe allowed? In my opinion there are some moderators who would delete my post if I accused others of doing that. Quite right too, it's abusive imo. 

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Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #668 on: March 30, 2019, 03:38:56 PM »
Is accusing people of posting absolute tripe allowed? In my opinion there are some moderators who would delete my post if I accused others of doing that. Quite right too, it's abusive imo.

Provide a cite and I will apologise and remove it....I think the truthfulness of posts is far, more important
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Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #669 on: March 30, 2019, 03:58:56 PM »
Is accusing people of posting absolute tripe allowed? In my opinion there are some moderators who would delete my post if I accused others of doing that. Quite right too, it's abusive imo.

You obviously  can't provide a cite because your claim is untrue
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Offline barrier

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #670 on: March 30, 2019, 04:04:18 PM »
What Rowley actually said re: the parents.

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MR: Two points to that, firstly the involvement of the parents, that was dealt with at the time by the
original investigation by the Portuguese. We had a look at all the material and we are happy that was
all dealt with and there is no reason whatsoever to reopen that or start rumours that was a line of
investigation.

Og have never investigated the parents.
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Offline Davel

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #671 on: March 30, 2019, 04:07:30 PM »
What Rowley actually said re: the parents.

Og have never investigated the parents.

They said they looked at all the material.. That's investigating to me.. Not assuming
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Offline Brietta

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #672 on: March 30, 2019, 04:33:04 PM »
What Rowley actually said re: the parents.

Og have never investigated the parents.

British police were active and on the ground throughout the investigation in 2007.  A team from Ceop - the child exploitation and online protection agency were sent out and were active.
Snip
Appeal for holiday snaps to help track Madeleine's abductor
· Specialist British officers join hunt as inquiry wanes
· Photos to be cross-checked with paedophile database
Tue 22 May 2007 23.56 BST
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/may/22/ukcrime.sandralaville

About that time spent by British police on the ground was Jim Gamble Child protection expert who said at a later date that ...

Snip
"he suspected Mr McCann and wife Kate 'from the very outset' – and even tried to get the father to 'do the right thing' and confess.

But the former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre said he is now convinced the couple were innocent and devastated over their daughter.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6815151/Documentary-reveals-senior-police-officer-suspected-Madeleine-McCanns-father-disappearance.html

When Scotland Yard took on the review of Madeleine's case they would have access to the debriefings of the many British officers who had been active on the ground in Portugal.

The notion that Scotland Yard had no dialogue with Kate and Gerry at this time is nothing short of risible;  they are experts in their field ... I'm no expert, but in a similar situation I would want to hear certain information from the horse's mouth which I think would be nothing less than demanded by protocol and procedure.

The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Online Eleanor

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #673 on: March 30, 2019, 05:16:49 PM »
Is accusing people of posting absolute tripe allowed? In my opinion there are some moderators who would delete my post if I accused others of doing that. Quite right too, it's abusive imo.

Some of us try to be objective.  Don't knock it.

Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Podcasts by Mark Saunokonoko of 9News.
« Reply #674 on: March 30, 2019, 05:20:28 PM »
They said they looked at all the material.. That's investigating to me.. Not assuming
I wonder what they made of this when they were looking at all the material. Are we allowed to assume they looked at the block booking for the tapas when conducting their thorough review of the original investigation?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFL6Jown0LE
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."