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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #315 on: December 02, 2019, 07:07:40 AM »

Sibling rivalry, you know I don't really know what it means in real life situations. 

I wonder if there are documented cases of siblings fighting for the inheritance?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #316 on: December 02, 2019, 07:30:02 AM »
Sibling rivalry, you know I don't really know what it means in real life situations. 

I wonder if there are documented cases of siblings fighting for the inheritance?
How do you cope with reading this:
"Sibling Murder
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Killing a sibling may not have quite the negative implications of Patricide and Matricide, but it's still traditionally seen as worse than killing someone you're not related to.

This can result from a Cain and Abel situation, but that's not required. Accidental deaths, mercy kills and the like can also fit under this trope. In those situations, this can overlap with Kill the Ones You Love.

A subtrope of Murder in the Family. May be the outcome of a Princeling Rivalry or Annoying Younger Sibling.

Adoptive siblings and half-siblings also qualify for this trope. "Brothers" or "Sisters" in a religious or martial order don't, as those terms are being used as a standard honorific (on the same line as "Mister" or "Madame") instead of describing relationship.

Killing a brother is technically known as "fratricide", and killing a sister is "sororicide", but many people use fratricide to refer to both.

As a Death Trope, spoilers are unmarked."

Sounds like double Dutch to me.

"sororicide"  Killing a sister.  Never heard of it.

When John Ramsey's oldest child died in a car crash there seemed to be quite an investigation into the cause.  Did it seem suspicious?  There is not that much known about the incident.

"REPORTS SOUGHT IN JONBENET'S SISTER'S DEATH"  https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1997-02-21-9702210074-story.html

"Elizabeth Ramsey was the daughter of JonBenet's father, John Bennett, and his former wife, Lucinda Pasch. Her death certificate said she died of multiple injuries resulting from a car accident.

At the time of the accident, Elizabeth Ramsey was a 22-year-old flight attendant for Delta Airlines. Her home address was Marietta, Ga.

According to a state police report, Elizabeth Ramsey was a passenger in the car, which went out of control on rain-slicked I-55 at County Line Road and collided with a truck."


What made the vehicle get out of control?  Was it ever worked out?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #317 on: December 02, 2019, 07:36:46 AM »
A later report "How Did John Ramsey's Other Daughter Die? JonBenet's Half-Sister's Death Was Also Tragic" https://www.bustle.com/articles/181931-how-did-john-ramseys-other-daughter-die-jonbenets-half-sisters-death-was-also-tragic said:

 "But, nothing significant came from the reinvestigation, and the 22-year-old flight attendant's death seems unrelated to her sister's and completely unsuspicious. Between JonBenét's murder and Elizabeth's car accident, this family was incredibly unlucky twice within the span of four years."

I would say car accidents are quite common and in general there would not be an in depth investigation as what might happen after an aircraft crash.   

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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #318 on: December 02, 2019, 07:44:55 AM »
Elizabeth died shortly before JonBenet’s death. In 1992, Elizabeth’s car careened into an oncoming truck on the interstate, killing her and her boyfriend.After JonBenet died, police took an unusual interest in what had happened to Elizabeth. Even though she’d died in an accident, police reviewed the autopsy report, only saying that they were following up “on any and all leads in the Ramsey investigation.”There is no evidence that Elizabeth’s death was anything other than an accident or that John and Patsy had any role in it. The autopsy review, though, suggests just how much the police may have considered the Ramseys as suspects."

https://listverse.com/2016/10/02/10-strange-little-known-facts-about-jonbenet-ramseys-family/

I suppose if a driver's side front tire has a blowout at high speed the car could veer into the path of oncoming traffic.
Falling asleep is probably the most common cause.
What about intoxication.

Spiking a drink with a sedative would be a good one. 
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #319 on: December 02, 2019, 07:51:20 AM »
Here is a bit more information: "From DOI, pb, pg 72:

"Jeff (JR's brother) didn't have much information about the accident. Apparently Matt and Beth were on their way to a Chicago art museum just before lunchtime. The winter temperature was somewhere in the high thirties, and it had been raining. However, the rain seemed to stop about the time that Matt pulled up the ramp to enter one of Chicago's freeways. For some reason, his car spun out of control, sliding in front of a truck that broadsided them."

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/how-exactly-did-beth-ramsey-die.49263/

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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #320 on: December 02, 2019, 07:55:03 AM »
Plot thickens -  Beth's previous boyfriend also died?  Name Dan Mudler.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #321 on: December 02, 2019, 08:06:31 AM »
John Ramsey Net Worth & BIO  http://liverampup.com/entertainment/john-bennett-ramsey-net-worth-spouse-children.html
"John sold his millions worth assets including company shares, house, boats because of the emotional distress after the death of his daughter JonBenet in 1996. His daughter death left him not only with the emotional but also substantial financial turmoil.

In 1996, his net worth was $ 6.4 million. At the time, he was the CEO of Access Graphics, which value grossed over $1 billion in 1996. As of now, his financial status remains unknown.

John Ramsey was born on 7th December 1943 in Nebraska, USA. He completed his education from Michigan State University and went on to serve as an officer in the US Navy. By 1996, he had already become a successful businessman working for Access Graphics."

That sort of wealth could be a source of envy for someone.

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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #322 on: December 02, 2019, 06:26:56 PM »
Sibling rivalry, you know I don't really know what it means in real life situations. 

I wonder if there are documented cases of siblings fighting for the inheritance?
It seems fairly rare, especially between sisters.    Not sure of the outcome of this case "https://youtu.be/N1OOZtgM1nI "Twin Charged With Sister's Murder Again Just Months After Judge Drops Case"

"A woman who allegedly killed her twin sister has been charged for the second time with murder after she drove a vehicle off a cliff in Hawaii with both of them inside over the summer. Alexandria Duval, 38, was charged with second-degree murder. She was initially arrested after the June tragedy when witnesses said they saw the twins arguing in an SUV in Maui before it slammed through a rock wall and went over a 200-foot, seaside cliff. Anastasia Duval was pronounced dead on the scene."

I believe she was found not guilty in the end as they were fighting at the time of the accident.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #323 on: December 02, 2019, 07:35:57 PM »
Anything is possible even if it is rare.   One thing that Melinda did say that I think was a bit strange, but even then it isn't evidence of anything.   

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10611.msg516466;topicseen#msg516466

The actual sentences I find odd were:  ""I remember thinking this would kill them. After my older sister, Beth, was killed in a car wreck, it was just so awful. I didn't think they could take another loss like this. I thought they'll be dead in a year from sheer grief. Patsy already seemed dead inside. Her whole body was pale and grey. She just wasn't there. Dad was sobbing continuously. His way of dealing was to pace and cry."
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #324 on: December 03, 2019, 03:21:49 AM »
Here is a bit more information: "From DOI, pb, pg 72:

"Jeff (JR's brother) didn't have much information about the accident. Apparently Matt and Beth were on their way to a Chicago art museum just before lunchtime. The winter temperature was somewhere in the high thirties, and it had been raining. However, the rain seemed to stop about the time that Matt pulled up the ramp to enter one of Chicago's freeways. For some reason, his car spun out of control, sliding in front of a truck that broadsided them."

https://www.websleuths.com/forums/threads/how-exactly-did-beth-ramsey-die.49263/
Go back to the original discrepancy in this case http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10611.msg515297#msg515297

Who was the father of Melinda? 
Who was the father of the other two kids? 
Could it have been Jeff?   
Were Jeff and John close? 
Why did John Ramsey's first marriage break down?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #326 on: December 03, 2019, 10:38:11 PM »
I am wanting to look into the DNA traces found on Jonbenet.
As I understand it there were 3 sites for DNA.

1. Under her fingernails
2. On her panties
3. On her long johns.

I must admit the DNA evidence has me confused, but as I understand it at the moment  the DNA on the long johns matched that on the panties, was sufficiently different to the Ramsey's sample for Mary Tracy the Boulder DA at the time to clear the Ramsey family.

I am particularly interested in seeing the DNA profile from the material under Jonbenet's fingernails.  Can anyone help me find the DNA lab test results?
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #327 on: December 04, 2019, 01:17:15 AM »
Jameson has supplied  this post http://www.webbsleuths.org/showthread.php?tid=1227&pid=3797#pid3797

""I believe the technology of today makes it extraordinarily difficult for a killer not to leave his calling card," says police forensic specialist Greg LaBerge, referring to the suspect's complete DNA profile.
He believes he has the DNA for the man he suspects is the killer of JonBenet Ramsey: "It would be very, very helpful to the investigation to have that DNA matched to an individual."
The crime lab has two spots of JonBenet's blood found on the underwear she was wearing the night of the murder. Mixed in with that blood is the DNA of an unknown person. It has taken years to isolate, but forensic scientists in Colorado now have a complete DNA profile of the killer. They know the killer is a male. What they don't know is his name.
Augustin and Gray are convinced that the DNA sample belongs to JonBenet's killer, because of a small amount of matching DNA that also was found under the 6-year-old murder victim's fingernails."

If true that could be a solution to the case.  It is not a deathblow to the "New Theory" because I'm imagining more than one person is involved.
It is even possible DNA was planted to confuse investigators.  So I'm not relying on DNA evidence.

Which means my "New Theory" is rather contradictory to most theories, as they are picking it is a DNA case.

Had there been a full DNA profile isolated from the fingernails I'd be arguing from a different position.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #328 on: December 04, 2019, 01:51:05 AM »
There are pages of reports from Bode Technology at this site:

"BODE TECHNOLOGY WRITTEN ANALYSIS ON DNA IN THE JONBENÉT RAMSEY CASE.  http://www.wehaveyourdaughter.net/dna-evidence/2017/3/2/bode-technology-written-analysis-on-dna-in-the-jonbent-ramsey-case
A total of 10 pages appear but the  the file name appears more than once.  They could be from different days.
(I'm going to have to study these closely)

There were 3 files called "Report page 1"  and they were all different when opened up.
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Re: New Theory accounting for the death of Jonbenet.
« Reply #329 on: December 04, 2019, 10:59:24 AM »
I am wanting to look into the DNA traces found on Jonbenet.
.....

I am particularly interested in seeing the DNA profile from the material under Jonbenet's fingernails.  Can anyone help me find the DNA lab test results?
one site made this comment about the fingernail DNA results: "That evidence was considered not to be reliable. First, they didn't know when the last time she had her nails cleaned. Second, the ME used the same clippers for each nail and hand, therefore contaminating the evidence."  https://www.reddit.com/r/JonBenet/comments/53jrhx/dna_under_jbrs_fingernails/

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