Author Topic: Sceptics beliefs ?  (Read 55012 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #15 on: April 02, 2019, 11:05:45 PM »
12 million spent.

Royal weddings cost much more than that.
I'm more  than happy to spend my tiny fraction of my tax to find a missing child.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #16 on: April 02, 2019, 11:08:44 PM »
And what?
You really do believe that an investigation by NSY and the ongoing Portuguese investigation are still looking at Madeleine's parents as being suspects in her disappearance?
Really?

Why is that so ridiculous.....ah I know, the investigating forces have answered direct questions from a journalists with the least contentious answer. Okaaaay.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #17 on: April 02, 2019, 11:15:47 PM »
Why is that so ridiculous.....ah I know, the investigating forces have answered direct questions from a journalists with the least contentious answer. Okaaaay.

Not answering my original question?
Why after so many years and the ongoing current  investigation by both NSY and the Portuguese police and without any shred of tangible evidence, do you still believe the parents of Madeleine are guilty of whatever the diverse views of sceptics believe?
You do obviously believe they are guilty of some part in their daughters disappearance?
I'm just wondering what keeps you so steadfast in your belief?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #18 on: April 02, 2019, 11:22:17 PM »
Each claim from a police spokesman that the parents are not suspects , be it in the U.K. or Portugal, has been in reply to a direct question from a journalist. No police spokesman has ever in an interview proferred this information spontaneously. If Iím wrong perhaps someone could provide the evidence?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #19 on: April 02, 2019, 11:24:03 PM »
Not answering my original question?
Why after so many years and the ongoing current  investigation by both NSY and the Portuguese police and without any shred of tangible evidence, do you still believe the parents of Madeleine are guilty of whatever the diverse views of sceptics believe?
You do obviously believe they are guilty of some part in their daughters disappearance?
I'm just wondering what keeps you so steadfast in your belief?

I have seen no evidence to the contrary.

Has there been any tangible evidence against anyone else ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Online pathfinder73

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #20 on: April 02, 2019, 11:26:17 PM »
Royal weddings cost much more than that.
I'm more  than happy to spend my tiny fraction of my tax to find a missing child.

Name another missing child the UK government have spent 12 million to find?

In preparation for todayís announcement, senior officers from Operation Grange made 16 visits to Portugal in order to ensure that any potential difficulties were ironed out.

If a British suspect is ever charged with abduction or murder in the case, the law allows them to be tried at the Old Bailey in London, even if the alleged crime took place overseas.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10159992/Madeleine-McCann-How-the-British-led-investigation-will-operate-overseas.html

Less than a year later they were searching for a body.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB_NOJZBTas[/youtube]
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2019, 11:30:20 PM »
Each claim from a police spokesman that the parents are not suspects , be it in the U.K. or Portugal, has been in reply to a direct question from a journalist. No police spokesman has ever in an interview proferred this information spontaneously. If Iím wrong perhaps someone could provide the evidence?
Redwoodís statement.  He wasnít asked if the polwere investigating the McCanns, he gave this information freely iirc.
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #22 on: April 02, 2019, 11:30:54 PM »
Do sceptics believe that in spite of the ongoing investigation into Madeleine's disappearance by both NSY and the current ongoing investigation by the Portuguese police that Madeleine's parents are guilty of whatever they believe they are guilty of?
The guilt has to be qualified because the guilt suspected by sceptics has a very wide range

There are a myriad of 'beliefs' surrounding Madeleine's case very many of which emanate from the dark days when the Judicial police were scandalously feeding the Portuguese press and media systematically with one calumny hard on the heels of another. 
Resulting in what must surely rank as the character assassination of the century directed against the parents of a missing child and by association anyone with the slightest connection to them.

I think there has been a general desensitisation as a result which allows so called sceptics free rein to get the boot in whenever and wherever they can thinking they have the high ground; the indecency of it all is that the current police investigations into Madeleine's case don't seem to have had the slightest effect in giving them pause for thought.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #23 on: April 02, 2019, 11:33:20 PM »
I have seen no evidence to the contrary.

Has there been any tangible evidence against anyone else ?

It's ok Faith Lilly, as expected no sceptic has explained why after many years of both  NSY  and the Portuguese police investigating Madeleine's disappearance  Sceptics still cling to the belief that her parents are involved in her disappearance.

Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #24 on: April 02, 2019, 11:33:25 PM »
I think it's obvious they have been eliminating all possibilities. A large chunk was spent on an operation to find a body so that suggests what they think!
This is totally illogical.  Police do not start by investigating the least likely so as to eliminate them to work up to the most likely, nor does looking for a body in PdL mean they think the McCanns did it.  You may be much in demand for your opinion in another case but in this one your reasoning is painfully flawed imo.
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #25 on: April 02, 2019, 11:35:32 PM »
Name another missing child the UK government have spent 12 million to find?

In preparation for todayís announcement, senior officers from Operation Grange made 16 visits to Portugal in order to ensure that any potential difficulties were ironed out.

If a British suspect is ever charged with abduction or murder in the case, the law allows them to be tried at the Old Bailey in London, even if the alleged crime took place overseas.


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10159992/Madeleine-McCann-How-the-British-led-investigation-will-operate-overseas.html

Less than a year later they were searching for a body.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB_NOJZBTas[/youtube]

But yet after all the years of investigation by both  NSy and the Portuguese you do still be!ieve Madeleine's parents were involved in her disappearance.
Why?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #26 on: April 02, 2019, 11:39:39 PM »
But yet after all the years of investigation by both  NSy and the Portuguese you do still be!ieve Madeleine's parents were involved in her disappearance.
Why?
Three words Erngarth:

Dogs Donít Lie

 @)(++(*
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #27 on: April 02, 2019, 11:45:58 PM »
But you do cling to the belief that Madeleine's parents are involved in her disappearance in spite of no indication from either the  current NSY and the Portuguese investigation.
Why?
The current investigations by the Judicial police and Scotland Yard are undoubtedly taking place solely as a result of Madeleine's parent's unceasing efforts and lobbying of the powers that be on her behalf.
I think it is illogical to suppose that they agitated as hard as they did or as long as they did for Madeleine's case to be investigated if they were guilty of any involvement in her disappearance.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #28 on: April 02, 2019, 11:46:45 PM »
Three words Erngarth:

Dogs Donít Lie

 @)(++(*

God help us all if a dog's sense of smell becomes the arbiter of guilt or innocence.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #29 on: April 02, 2019, 11:55:06 PM »
The current investigations by the Judicial police and Scotland Yard are undoubtedly taking place solely as a result of Madeleine's parent's unceasing efforts and lobbying of the powers that be on her behalf.
I think it is illogical to suppose that they agitated as hard as they did or as long as they did for Madeleine's case to be investigated if they were guilty of any involvement in her disappearance.

Undoubtedly true but the usual sceptic response is along the lines of  and fill in any missing words grab a tiger by the tail.
And why on earth would her parents iniate and continue a campaign to ask our government to  open and continue the investigation into her disappearance.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.