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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #210 on: April 04, 2019, 12:25:21 PM »
Really?

That's  an excuse which is worth remembering. *%87

Let’s hope you don’t need to remember it because we can but hope the debate here ceases to be driven by simplistic assumptions and pointless, childish name calling.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #211 on: April 04, 2019, 12:32:54 PM »
Let’s hope you don’t need to remember it because we can but hope the debate here ceases to be driven by simplistic assumptions and pointless, childish name calling.

Which I am sure you will equally appreciate your part in such behaviour.
Do you wish me to recall some of the names you have addressed to me.
I'm sure you don't.

Huge, huge family celebration to complete the final details for this weekend, so I bid you good afternoon.
May be back later.

Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Online Eleanor

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #212 on: April 04, 2019, 12:46:02 PM »

No one is listening to me.  Okay.  Stand by.

Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #213 on: April 04, 2019, 12:47:52 PM »
Did the BBC bend the truth?
Gemma O’Doherty

A reward of €20,000 was Offered to anyone who could assist with the investigation. But then the Story of the Smith sighting took another bizarre twist as allegations emerged in the media that the family had retracted their statements. The public were being told that this potentially critical development was just another red herring.

The BBC even went as far as to make this claim. In a 'Panorama' programme broadcast in May to mark the tenth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance, presenter Richard Bilton told viewers that the Smiths had changed their mind about seeing Gerry McCann and now believed they had seen someone else.


In recent weeks, I have spoken to Martin Smith at his home in Drogheda. He told me he continues to stand by everything he said to police in 2007. At no point did he withdraw his statement or change his mind about the sighting.


He is frustrated by media claims that he now says he was mistaken; and remains "60-80 per cent" convinced that the man he saw that night was Gerry McCann.

After the BBC programme was broadcast, Martin contacted ‘Panorama’ and informed them of their inaccuracy. But the broadcaster failed to correct the record despite its public service remit.


Last month. asked the BBC why they had wrongly suggested the Smith sighting had been withdrawn and if they were willing to correct their error at this late stage.


I received a reply acknowledging that they had indeed broadcast an inaccuracy. They agreed to update the ‘Panorama’ programme on their iPlayer to reflect the correction. They say the mistake was made in good faith but they have failed to explain how they came to make such a fundamental error and why they did not check if their story about the Smiths was correct before they aired the programme.


Former Scotland Yard murder detective Colin Sutton is one of a number of experienced officers who believe the Smith sighting is one the most important pieces of evidence available to the investigation.
https://gemmaodoherty.com/investigations/madeline-mccann/madeline-mccann-did-the-bbc-bend-the-truth/
Gemma O’Doherty ... wonder what happened to her.
Did she ever publish her analysis of the McCann case?  Or did that ubiquitous MI5 guy who figures largely in the sceptic belief system have a word in her ear?
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #214 on: April 04, 2019, 12:48:01 PM »
I don't know what happened  to Maddie but I'm sure her parents, were not involved...it doesn't matter what a handful of people on forums think it's as clear as, day to me the mccanns are not being investigated  by either investigation
I'm not disputing that, you may well be right about them not being investigated.. but if that's the case and the case closes without conclusion, they'll be condemned to a lifetime of suspicion imo all because Scotland Yard never bothered to find clear evidence to eliminate them. If they have found new clear evidence that does eliminate them then surely in fairness to the McCanns, the police will release it to the public. 
What a handful of people on forums think doesn't matter, I agree. It's not as if what you think will matter anymore than anyone else imo.
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."

Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #215 on: April 04, 2019, 01:01:40 PM »
I'm not disputing that, you may well be right about them not being investigated.. but if that's the case and the case closes without conclusion, they'll be condemned to a lifetime of suspicion imo all because Scotland Yard never bothered to find clear evidence to eliminate them. If they have found new clear evidence that does eliminate them then surely in fairness to the McCanns, the police will release it to the public. 
What a handful of people on forums think doesn't matter, I agree. It's not as if what you think will matter anymore than anyone else imo.

I think your assessment is far off the mark.  The sceptic belief that Scotland Yard and the Judicial police have not already eliminated Madeleine's parents from the doubts engineered about them by Amaral is not one I share.
It runs against protocol and is totally illogical.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Online Eleanor

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #216 on: April 04, 2019, 01:11:11 PM »
I'm not disputing that, you may well be right about them not being investigated.. but if that's the case and the case closes without conclusion, they'll be condemned to a lifetime of suspicion imo all because Scotland Yard never bothered to find clear evidence to eliminate them. If they have found new clear evidence that does eliminate them then surely in fairness to the McCanns, the police will release it to the public. 
What a handful of people on forums think doesn't matter, I agree. It's not as if what you think will matter anymore than anyone else imo.

Your Comment has no logic and is contradictory.

A lifetime of suspicion won't matter to The McCanns.  And they certainly won't care about what you think of them.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #217 on: April 04, 2019, 01:18:23 PM »
There is a great deal of evidence that Martin Smith was entirely wrong.  The Judicial police accept that along with the judiciary ... why do sceptics continue to cling to their belief in something so well debunked?

I wasn't discussing whether he was right or wrong. I was discussing whether he changed his mind or not. In my opinion there's no evidence that he did.
Accept nothing
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Online Eleanor

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #218 on: April 04, 2019, 01:19:07 PM »
In the beginning I thought that The McCanns were probably involved, just because parents so often are.  What a mindless moron I must have been in those days.  I am still passing ashamed of myself.

But thereby hangs the tale of my latter day courage.  I was a wimp as well.  Nowadays I fight back when I see injustice.

Online Eleanor

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #219 on: April 04, 2019, 01:21:29 PM »
I wasn't discussing whether he was right or wrong. I was discussing whether he changed his mind or not. In my opinion there's no evidence that he did.

So Mr. Smith identified a person whose face he admits he never saw.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #220 on: April 04, 2019, 01:33:58 PM »
It isn't so much what is not believed ... which I think we can all have a pretty good guess at ... I think the topic is more concerned with the belief system which powers the sceptics and how that came about and developed over the years.

I wouldn't call it a belief system; it's more of a non-belief reaction imo. It's not complicated; some believed them from the beginning and others didn't. Then those who believed them spent years castigating those who didn't.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #221 on: April 04, 2019, 01:40:23 PM »
I wouldn't call it a belief system; it's more of a non-belief reaction imo. It's not complicated; some believed them from the beginning and others didn't. Then those who believed them spent years castigating those who didn't.

Call it what you like ... the thread topic refers to "sceptic beliefs ? " ... so as long as it falls within that, I think you will be on topic.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Online Eleanor

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #222 on: April 04, 2019, 01:41:15 PM »
I wouldn't call it a belief system; it's more of a non-belief reaction imo. It's not complicated; some believed them from the beginning and others didn't. Then those who believed them spent years castigating those who didn't.

I felt shame when I realised how unkind and illogically stupid I had been.  Sadly, shame doesn't sit well with some.

And should I so unlikely be wrong in the end, I will still like me better.

Offline Davel

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #223 on: April 04, 2019, 01:43:39 PM »
I wouldn't call it a belief system; it's more of a non-belief reaction imo. It's not complicated; some believed them from the beginning and others didn't. Then those who believed them spent years castigating those who didn't.

Have you not seen sceptical castigating supporters.. I've been told on this forum I'm in love with Kate... Been accused of being part if the family.. Been told I'm only here to support the mccanns... Been called a defender of a child murderers... And more
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #224 on: April 04, 2019, 01:45:32 PM »
So Mr. Smith identified a person whose face he admits he never saw.

Jane Tanner thought it was possible;

she says she would probably be able to identify the individual she saw, being able to identify him from the side and from his manner of walking.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANE-TANNER.htm
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