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Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #315 on: April 04, 2019, 10:41:06 PM »
Is that a reference to both the current police Investigations?

Were you referring to both? Then so was my reply.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #316 on: April 04, 2019, 10:46:53 PM »
Does it trouble you that people debate an unsolved case of public interest? Don't you think in a missing person case, there is no such thing as bad publicity? For the missing person's benefit I mean.
Iím not troubled at all.  As for your second question, if the bad publicity or propaganda if you prefer convinces most people that the missing person is dead and was buried by their own parents I donít really see that as good publicity tbh.
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Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #317 on: April 04, 2019, 10:47:04 PM »
It seems to me it's about your opinion that you know what these investigations are doing. Now that's what I call a belief.

Not at all.
It's been a lengthy investigation.
I've no opinion at at all about where the investigation will end.
Just to reiterate that as to today  there is no indication that Madeleine's parents are involved in her disappearance..
Its not difficult to believe that both investigating police forces have as yet  not found any indication that Madeleine's parents are suspects.

That's  just a belief in innocence until proved otherwise.
Not quite the belief sceptics have.
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Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #318 on: April 04, 2019, 10:58:34 PM »
Iím not troubled at all.  As for your second question, if the bad publicity or propaganda if you prefer convinces most people that the missing person is dead and was buried by their own parents I donít really see that as good publicity tbh.
But don't you think the bad publicity for the McCanns is actually good publicity for their missing child, IF she is still alive. Can you think of any other missing child who has ever achieved the level of publicity Madeleine's face has? Don't you think Amaral's book and their court case has been a tremendous success in terms of achieving publicity for the missing child?  No one was physically searching for her when the case was closed anyway. SY's search consited of cadaver dogs and shovels.
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #319 on: April 04, 2019, 11:07:35 PM »
But don't you think the bad publicity for the McCanns is actually good publicity for their missing child, IF she is still alive. Can you think of any other missing child who has ever achieved the level of publicity Madeleine's face has? Don't you think Amaral's book and their court case has been a tremendous success in terms of achieving publicity for the missing child?  No one was physically searching for her when the case was closed anyway. SY's search consited of cadaver dogs and shovels.

But you don't believe she is missing?
Do you?
You believe her parents are complicit in her disappearance?
Or have I interpreted your posts wrongly?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #320 on: April 04, 2019, 11:14:38 PM »
But don't you think the bad publicity for the McCanns is actually good publicity for their missing child, IF she is still alive. Can you think of any other missing child who has ever achieved the level of publicity Madeleine's face has? Don't you think Amaral's book and their court case has been a tremendous success in terms of achieving publicity for the missing child?  No one was physically searching for her when the case was closed anyway. SY's search consited of cadaver dogs and shovels.
Well if your child was missing and she was world famous as the child that some notóvery-bright ex cop had promoted as dead and hidden by your own hand would you consider that helpful for finding her?
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #321 on: April 04, 2019, 11:15:28 PM »
Not at all.
It's been a lengthy investigation.
I've no opinion at at all about where the investigation will end.
Just to reiterate that as to today  there is no indication that Madeleine's parents are involved in her disappearance..
Its not difficult to believe that both investigating police forces have as yet  not found any indication that Madeleine's parents are suspects.

That's  just a belief in innocence until proved otherwise.
Not quite the belief sceptics have.

You believe there are no indications that the McCanns are involved. That's fine, but others disagree.

You also believe the police have found no such indications either. That you cannot know.

Do you know, some people are still accusing Amaral of being guilty despite Portugal's Supreme Court clearing him? I think that's far worse than me saying I'm not convinced by the McCanns, don't you?
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #322 on: April 04, 2019, 11:19:41 PM »
I've no idea.
Perhaps you can enlighten me.

Let me put it another way. If you say paid for the tiles on your roof to be changed and the roof tilers only changed half but told you they had changed them all. A few days later one of the tilers, ashamed by the job that was done, comes and tells you what happened. What would you do ?
« Last Edit: April 04, 2019, 11:27:02 PM by Faithlilly »
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #323 on: April 04, 2019, 11:20:58 PM »
Well if your child was missing and she was world famous as the child that some notóvery-bright ex cop had promoted as dead and hidden by your own hand would you consider that helpful for finding her?
Who has stopped looking and when did they stop looking as a result of this ex cops claims? Can you name one single person? Where were they searching exactly before he wrote his book that made them stop?
IMO he has given the missing child huge and continuing publicity. Dead or alive - it's made no difference.
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #324 on: April 04, 2019, 11:25:00 PM »
You believe there are no indications that the McCanns are involved. That's fine, but others disagree.

You also believe the police have found no such indications either. That you cannot know.

Do you know, some people are still accusing Amaral of being guilty despite Portugal's Supreme Court clearing him? I think that's far worse than me saying I'm not convinced by the McCanns, don't you?


It's not not  just my belief that the McCann's are not suspects, it does seem so far that two investigating police forces have not found any evidence suggesting otherwise.

I'm unsure of why you felt the need to bring Amaral into our exchange of posts..
Guilty of what.
Perjury?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #325 on: April 04, 2019, 11:25:27 PM »
Well if your child was missing and she was world famous as the child that some notóvery-bright ex cop had promoted as dead and hidden by your own hand would you consider that helpful for finding her?

No, and if a court said  ir wasn't proved that his actions had harned the seatch for her I would have appealed against that decision. It was ny main reason for suing him, after all.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #326 on: April 04, 2019, 11:32:13 PM »
No, and if a court said  ir wasn't proved that his actions had harned the seatch for her I would have appealed against that decision. It was ny main reason for suing him, after all.
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"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #327 on: April 04, 2019, 11:33:25 PM »
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #328 on: April 04, 2019, 11:36:42 PM »
Who has stopped looking and when did they stop looking as a result of this ex cops claims? Can you name one single person? Where were they searching exactly before he wrote his book that made them stop?
IMO he has given the missing child huge and continuing publicity. Dead or alive - it's made no difference.
LOL. Well if and when Madeleine turns up alive she will no doubt be forever in Amaralís debt for his sterling efforts in trying to convince the world she is dead..
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #329 on: April 04, 2019, 11:37:40 PM »

It's not not  just my belief that the McCann's are not suspects, it does seem so far that two investigating police forces have not found any evidence suggesting otherwise.

I'm unsure of why you felt the need to bring Amaral into our exchange of posts..
Guilty of what.
Perjury?

Repeating your opinions doesn't make them correct, imo. They remain opinions.
 
You mentioned presumption of innocence. I mentioned Amaral as an example of people assuming guilt even after the courts have ruled otherwise.
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