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Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #330 on: April 04, 2019, 11:40:48 PM »
LOL. Well if and when Madeleine turns up alive she will no doubt be forever in Amaralís debt for his sterling efforts in trying to convince the world she is dead..
If, and that's a very big IF imo,  she ever turns up, it wasn't Amaral who had a duty of care to the child, and it wasn't Amaral that made her do a disappearing act. She'll have plenty of others to thank before she gets a chance to thank Amaral.
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #331 on: April 04, 2019, 11:44:24 PM »
If, and that's a very big IF imo,  she ever turns up, it wasn't Amaral who had a duty of care to the child, and it wasn't Amaral that made her do a disappearing act. She'll have plenty of others to thank before she gets a chance to thank Amaral.
If she is found alive it will prove Amaral failed in his duty to investigate her disappearance properly.  Why would she thank him for being not very good at his job and determined to stitch up her parents instead?
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #332 on: April 04, 2019, 11:46:17 PM »
I have no doubt they do.
I'm just interested in why sceptics cling to their beliefs in spite of a lengthy police investigation by two police forces who will surely have noted all the obvious ( to sceptics) alarming doubts.

Here's the truth:

It should not be said that the appellants were cleared via the ruling announcing the archiving of the criminal case. In truth, that ruling was not made in virtue of Portugal's Public Prosecution Service having acquired the conviction that the appellants hadn't committed a crime.

"The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn't managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.

"There is therefore a significant, and not merely a semantic difference, between the legally admissible foundations of the archive ruling. It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/madeleine-mccanns-parents-have-not-ruled-innocent-judge-says/

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #333 on: April 04, 2019, 11:48:42 PM »
Here's the truth:

It should not be said that the appellants were cleared via the ruling announcing the archiving of the criminal case. In truth, that ruling was not made in virtue of Portugal's Public Prosecution Service having acquired the conviction that the appellants hadn't committed a crime.

"The archiving of the case was determined by the fact that public prosecutors hadn't managed to obtain sufficient evidence of the practice of crimes by the appellants.

"There is therefore a significant, and not merely a semantic difference, between the legally admissible foundations of the archive ruling. It doesn't therefore seem acceptable that the ruling, based on the insufficiency of evidence, should be equated to proof of innocence."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/09/madeleine-mccanns-parents-have-not-ruled-innocent-judge-says/


Yesterday's news
Still two current police forces have not given any indication that Madeleine's parents are involved in her disappearance.
Do keep up.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Cheeky Monkey

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #334 on: April 04, 2019, 11:55:18 PM »
If she is found alive it will prove Amaral failed in his duty to investigate her disappearance properly.  Why would she thank him for being not very good at his job and determined to stitch up her parents instead?
That fact has already been proven, she is still missing, the type of crime remains unknown and Amaral has been long gone from the case. He failed OK. I didn't say she would thank him for anything however, you said that remember, not me. She'd have lots of others to thank first for her predicament I said, and still do.
Gerry McCann: "If you think about the millions and millions of British families who go to the Mediterranean each year, really the chances of this happening are in the order of 100 million to one."

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #335 on: April 04, 2019, 11:57:54 PM »

Yesterday's news
Still two current police forces have not given any indication that Madeleine's parents are involved in her disappearance.
Do keep up.

And no official indication that anyone else is involved either.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #336 on: April 05, 2019, 12:02:39 AM »
If, and that's a very big IF imo,  she ever turns up, it wasn't Amaral who had a duty of care to the child, and it wasn't Amaral that made her do a disappearing act. She'll have plenty of others to thank before she gets a chance to thank Amaral.

It was Amaral who declared her death ... in conjunction with many other core sceptic beliefs.

Snip
  • Madeleine died in the apartment of the Ocean Club
  • there was a simulation of an abduction
  • the McCann couple are suspected of participating in the concealment of the body
  • death could have occurred as a result of a tragic accident
  • there is evidence of negligence in the care and safety of the children

These are the final theses defended by GonÁalo Amaral
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id173.htm


There is no evidence for any of that ... it is opinion.  So why did Amaral's opinions become entrenched in the sceptic beliefs.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #337 on: April 05, 2019, 12:03:09 AM »
And no official indication that anyone else is involved either.

True.
But still you cling to the belief that Madeleine's parents are involved.
Why?

Do you believe that two current Investigations are ignoring the obvious truths sceptics hold so dearly?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #338 on: April 05, 2019, 12:15:51 AM »
True.
But still you cling to the belief that Madeleine's parents are involved.
Why?

Do you believe that two current Investigations are ignoring the obvious truths sceptics hold so dearly?

We know that something happened to Madeleine.
There is no indication that her parents are suspected.
There is no indication that anyone else is suspected.
 But we know someone is involved and at this point it is just as likely to be the parents as AN Othet.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #339 on: April 05, 2019, 12:32:39 AM »
We know that something happened to Madeleine.
There is no indication that her parents are suspected.
There is no indication that anyone else is suspected.
 But we know someone is involved and at this point it is just as likely to be the parents as AN Othet.

I do believe that proving her parents are involved in her disappearance would be a slightly easier task than ANOthet..
I assume you mean another.
But do appreciate that you accept there is no indication that her parents are suspected
« Last Edit: April 05, 2019, 12:40:18 AM by Erngath »
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Faithlilly

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #340 on: April 05, 2019, 12:42:00 AM »
I do believe that proving her parents are involved in her disappearance would be a slightly easier task than ANOthet..

Itís so easy to believe something from a position of ignorance so be my guest.
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #341 on: April 05, 2019, 12:43:20 AM »
Itís so easy to believe something from a position of ignorance so be my guest.

Is it my ignorance you are referring to?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #342 on: April 05, 2019, 12:45:50 AM »

Yesterday's news
Still two current police forces have not given any indication that Madeleine's parents are involved in her disappearance.
Do keep up.

The police can do it however they please. Their job is to gather enough evidence to solve it. They don't need to prewarn the suspect(s) or the public that would result in a media circus that could ruin an investigation!

28 January 2009 - Police confirm Prout is no longer suspected of murdering his wife.

10 March 2009 - Prout is arrested and charged with murder and appears at Cheltenham Magistrates' Court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-15794829

« Last Edit: April 05, 2019, 12:51:14 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Erngath

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #343 on: April 05, 2019, 12:50:59 AM »
28 January 2009 - Police confirm Prout is no longer suspected of murdering his wife.

10 March 2009 - Prout is arrested and charged with murder and appears at Cheltenham Magistrates' Court.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-gloucestershire-15794829

Ten years ago and absolutely nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance?
You do seem to bring random quotes and newspapers articles and historic criminal cases into the debate.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #344 on: April 05, 2019, 12:52:34 AM »
You haven't got a clue. Police can do it anyway they want. They don't need to prewarn anyone!

« Last Edit: April 05, 2019, 12:55:39 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.