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Offline Davel

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #525 on: April 07, 2019, 02:33:36 PM »
I never said I was a sceptic with beliefs; in fact I've been denying it for years. Hopefully the penny has finally dropped and people will stop accusing me of believing this or that.

but you do have beliefs...you believe the statements are accurate....you believe the alert are accurate
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Offline Davel

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #526 on: April 07, 2019, 02:35:23 PM »
Yes but in what context ? Child traffickers, childless couples, confused burglars....what ?
i just stick with stranger abduction......it could still be one of several
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Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #527 on: April 07, 2019, 02:38:27 PM »
Himself and his wife say he raised the shutter. Evidence suggests it was Kate who opened the window.  The shutter will fall back down if raised so I don't think anybody saw them in a fully raised position. I think Dianne was the first to raise them and got them stuck otherwise why would Kate get her to do it if Gerry had already tried? It does not add up!

There is quite a long and involved thread on the forum where a highly respected member posted ...

5 prints on the glass ("vidro") are consistent with leaning on an already-open window to look out IMO.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg118208#msg118208

The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #528 on: April 07, 2019, 02:40:12 PM »
I never said I was a sceptic with beliefs; in fact I've been denying it for years. Hopefully the penny has finally dropped and people will stop accusing me of believing this or that.
Youíre not a sceptic and you have no beliefs you say, however the evidence of your posts on this forum tend to suggest otherwise.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #529 on: April 07, 2019, 02:42:42 PM »
i think..you need to rethink...the way you think...the whole justice system is based on belief.....people are given life sentences based on belief of the jury...two judges believed cipriano to be guilty..one didnt believe...you have to weigh the evidence and reach a decision...i dont know 100% the mccanns are innocent but i strongly believe they are...how else do you reach any judicial decision without beleif

I'm neither a judge nor a juror so I don't have to decide anything. If I found myself on a jury I would decide based on the evidence presented by the prosecution and the defense, nothing else. Whoever did the best job would win, which is slightly different than saying justice would triumph.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #530 on: April 07, 2019, 02:46:19 PM »
Here in the UK the courts tend to go on evidence presented,not on 'belief'. However, once the evidence is presented it is up to the judge/ jury to descide who's evidence they believe. Don't forget a lot of real evidence can be a game changer- but for many other reasons cannot be addmissible.

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I laughed when I saw VS telling Gunit she shouldn't post on here because she doesn't do what she is told. heehee

Why do you think the Portuguese Attorney General didn't instruct charging the arguidos instead of lifting their suspect status.
Might it have been there was no evidence to justify it?  I believe that is the case.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2019, 02:56:44 PM by Brietta »
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #531 on: April 07, 2019, 02:48:15 PM »
Here in the UK the courts tend to go on evidence presented,not on 'belief'. However, once the evidence is presented it is up to the judge/ jury to descide who's evidence they believe. Don't forget a lot of real evidence can be a game changer- but for many other reasons cannot be addmissible.

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I laughed when I saw VS telling Gunit she shouldn't post on here because she doesn't do what she is told. heehee

It's amazing isn't it? There seem to be a set of rules that some think everyone must abide by. If you dare to be different you're not playing fair, it seems!!!
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Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #532 on: April 07, 2019, 02:51:57 PM »
I think it did matter because, if they claimed the intruder came in via a window it would not be a good look if the bloody shutter didn't open for him/her to 'escape with MBM.

I am of the opinion there is a very good reason why the room was 'searched' by the Tapas and the shutters/window was tested-Allowing contamination of evidence- IF THERE WAS ANY from a stranger.

Perhaps they all panicked about what would happen to them- leaving their children alone everynight-to wine and dine on this 'family' holiday- jail? loss of jobs? children removed to social care in Portugual..

Claiming abduction  from the bed would be a great get -out- of -jail- card-free for them!

It could have  worked...until the seen abductor was found not to be an abductor by UK Police, The time line was moved, and the police in Portugual never believed it, and now  SY are looking at walked and wandered...

This leaves me with two questions...

I think that speculative post covers quite a few of the sceptic beliefs but as it was they didn't require a 'get out of jail card free'.  The lack of evidence to support their guilt did that for them no bother.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #533 on: April 07, 2019, 02:58:04 PM »
It's amazing isn't it? There seem to be a set of rules that some think everyone must abide by. If you dare to be different you're not playing fair, it seems!!!

Topic please ... "Sceptics beliefs ?"  Thank you
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #534 on: April 07, 2019, 02:59:46 PM »
but you do have beliefs...you believe the statements are accurate....you believe the alert are accurate

Or maybe some people won't stop accusing me of having beliefs.  @)(++(*
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #535 on: April 07, 2019, 03:00:13 PM »
i just stick with stranger abduction......it could still be one of several

So anyone as long as itís not the parents ?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Davel

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #536 on: April 07, 2019, 03:02:17 PM »
So anyone as long as itís not the parents ?
Anyone who is guilty
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #537 on: April 07, 2019, 03:08:38 PM »
Youíre not a sceptic and you have no beliefs you say, however the evidence of your posts on this forum tend to suggest otherwise.

According to you my posts suggest all sorts of things I have never thought, said or intended to say. May I suggest you stick with what I say instead of trying to find hidden meanings? You're not very good at it in my opinion.
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Offline Faithlilly

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #538 on: April 07, 2019, 03:09:21 PM »
Anyone who is guilty

But you have no evidence against anyone so how do you know that it is not the parents?
'She ( Kate) did, she brought it up and that she, I mean, this is awful in retrospect as well, she asked what my opinion was on, erm, tut, on whether they were okay leaving the, the doors unlocked, because she was saying 'Is it better that if Madeleine wakes up she can get out and find us or', erm, 'or locking it and, you know, finding that we're not there and the door's locked if she woke up', because Madeleine had woken up, what I thought was the night before. Erm, tut, and it was in that context really, just asking, you know, what I thought. So it was obviously something that was on her mind a bit, huh'.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #539 on: April 07, 2019, 03:29:19 PM »
According to you my posts suggest all sorts of things I have never thought, said or intended to say. May I suggest you stick with what I say instead of trying to find hidden meanings? You're not very good at it in my opinion.
Not very good at what? 
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