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Online Wonderfulspam

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #600 on: April 07, 2019, 08:49:17 PM »
Please don't post only the part of a quote which suits your purpose.  I think it demeans you as a poster and it brings the reputation of this forum for accuracy into disrepute.

The full quote from Kate's book is ...
"A witness claimed to have seen Gerry and me carrying a big black bag and acting suspiciously.
This was absolute nonsense, but ‘evidence’ of this kind came down to one person’s word against another. And it appeared that, as far as the PJ were concerned, our word counted for little."

Kate may claim it was absolute nonsense, because she would say that, wouldn't she.

But the fact remains, a witness claimed to have seen them carrying a big black bag & acting suspiciously.

That, my dear, is evidence against the McCanns.


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Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #601 on: April 07, 2019, 08:51:28 PM »
University of life,best education I've had.

I would like to say the same, but it isn't true, of course.

Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #602 on: April 07, 2019, 09:03:31 PM »
Kate may claim it was absolute nonsense, because she would say that, wouldn't she.

But the fact remains, a witness claimed to have seen them carrying a big black bag & acting suspiciously.

That, my dear, is evidence against the McCanns.

If that is the quality of the 'evidence' against the McCanns one can see why the Attorney General blew the case against them out of the water.

Anonymous witnesses are ten a penny in Amaral's book and elsewhere on YouTube ... none of whom make an appearance in the files.  If they do ... please cite them ... starting with the one quoted in Kate's book.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

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Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #604 on: April 07, 2019, 09:08:21 PM »
If that is the quality of the 'evidence' against the McCanns one can see why the Attorney General blew the case against them out of the water.

Anonymous witnesses are ten a penny in Amaral's book and elsewhere on YouTube ... none of whom make an appearance in the files.  If they do ... please cite them ... starting with the one quoted in Kate's book.

You'll have to ask Kate, she must have seen this statement. Maybe this witness statement was redacted from the published files, perhaps because it was in the peado-files. Who knows.
Either way, it's still evidence, Kate herself accepted that fact.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

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« Reply #605 on: April 07, 2019, 11:15:30 PM »
Gunit. You believe there is no evidence of abduction yet you claim not to do beliefs.  Your beliefs are wrong in this case as there is evidence that would be presented in a court of law should a suspected abductor ever be tried.
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« Reply #606 on: April 07, 2019, 11:29:42 PM »
Sure.  You believe there is no evidence of abduction yet you claim not to do beliefs.  Your beliefs are wrong in this case as there is evidence that would be presented in a court of law should a suspected abductor ever be tried.

Really?

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Offline Angelo222

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« Reply #607 on: April 07, 2019, 11:37:31 PM »
Gunit. You believe there is no evidence of abduction yet you claim not to do beliefs.  Your beliefs are wrong in this case as there is evidence that would be presented in a court of law should a suspected abductor ever be tried.

We have looked at this many times, there was no evidence of any intruder, no sign of a break-in, no valuables taken. The apartment had not been disturbed or rifled in any way, I'm afraid the abduction from the bedroom claim has no basis whatsoever.
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Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #608 on: April 07, 2019, 11:40:26 PM »
Kate may claim it was absolute nonsense, because she would say that, wouldn't she.

But the fact remains, a witness claimed to have seen them carrying a big black bag & acting suspiciously.

That, my dear, is evidence against the McCanns.

The second main luggage bag they took to PDL is not seen in crime scene photos. Only the blue one was seen in the wardrobe. That second luggage bag should be identified and maybe it's black. All those items seen on the second shelf where Eddie later alerted could have possibly been emptied from it.











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« Reply #609 on: April 07, 2019, 11:41:11 PM »
"The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance" - G-Unit.

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« Reply #610 on: April 07, 2019, 11:44:18 PM »
We have looked at this many times, there was no evidence of any intruder, no sign of a break-in, no valuables taken. The apartment had not been disturbed or rifled in any way, I'm afraid the abduction from the bedroom claim has no basis whatsoever.
So if a suspected abductor is charged and tried in a court of law there would be no reference made of the open window and raised shutter, because it wouldn’t be evidence of an intruder entering the apartment, is that what you’re claiming? ?
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #611 on: April 07, 2019, 11:54:29 PM »
We have looked at this many times, there was no evidence of any intruder, no sign of a break-in, no valuables taken. The apartment had not been disturbed or rifled in any way, I'm afraid the abduction from the bedroom claim has no basis whatsoever.

Exactly the same could be said of Alesha MacPhail's abduction and murder.  There was no evidence in the flat she had been taken from that she had been abducted at knife point.
The flat hadn't been disturbed or rifled.
Nothing had been taken ... with one obvious exception. 
All the evidence was found outside from CCTV and forensic evidence of the psychopath's DNA on Alesha's body.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

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« Reply #612 on: April 08, 2019, 12:25:57 AM »
Exactly the same could be said of Alesha MacPhail's abduction and murder.  There was no evidence in the flat she had been taken from that she had been abducted at knife point.
The flat hadn't been disturbed or rifled.
Nothing had been taken ... with one obvious exception. 
All the evidence was found outside from CCTV and forensic evidence of the psychopath's DNA on Alesha's body.

That's very different. They had other evidence.
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #613 on: April 08, 2019, 12:28:52 AM »
The second main luggage bag they took to PDL is not seen in crime scene photos. Only the blue one was seen in the wardrobe. That second luggage bag should be identified and maybe it's black. All those items seen on the second shelf where Eddie later alerted could have possibly been emptied from it.


Ah ... the infamous blue bag of sceptic belief ~ I had forgotten about that one.

... be it tennis bag ... or golf bag ... any bag will do. 

There was even a handy photograph of Gerry on the links complete with golf bag ... so guess what?
Far too opportune to allow that one to pass ... and grown men actually sat in front of that image and discussed putting a child's body into a bag.  If that doesn't smack of desperation, I don't know what does.
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"

Offline Brietta

Re: Sceptics beliefs ?
« Reply #614 on: April 08, 2019, 12:36:01 AM »
That's very different. They had other evidence.

There was no evidence of forced entry ... there was no evidence of burglary ... there was no evidence that anything had been disturbed ... there was no evidence the psychopath had been anywhere near the flat let alone had entered it and had taken Alesha.
No-one saw or heard a thing.

What do you think makes that "very different" from apartment 5A?
The remit of Operation Grange is to investigate ...  "(as if the abduction occurred in the UK)"