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Offline Holly Goodhead

Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« on: April 26, 2019, 11:37:39 AM »
The ITV docu aired 3 (I think) phone calls made by what sounded to me as a male with possibly a Central European accent. I will have to listen again!

How common is it for cranks to make such claims especially given the high publicity?  I'm reminded of Wearside Jack in the Ripper case.
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2019, 11:52:45 AM »
Also most people have some sort of moral compass, even criminals and such like, and I think most will find the idea of a law-abiding female tv presenter going about her business taken unaware and sustaining a contact gunshot to the back/side of her head reprehensible and cowardly in the extreme. 

Who would want to lay claim to such an atrocity?  It is extremely unlikely the Serb people would condone such an act.  It is more likely to alienate the perps.

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Offline Nicholas

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2019, 07:00:47 PM »
Also most people have some sort of moral compass,

Do they?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2019, 07:02:41 PM »
Who would want to lay claim to such an atrocity? 

Motivation then for someone like Barry George to never tell the truth and his sister to cover for him?!
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2019, 11:42:49 AM »
Do they?

Yes.  It's the reason prisons have protective custody ie to protect those who have committed crimes against children, women, the elderly, disabled etc. 
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2019, 11:47:13 AM »
Motivation then for someone like Barry George to never tell the truth and his sister to cover for him?!

Also a reason for any terrorist organisation or state not to claim responsibility in that their overall success depends on support from their broader communities and most would not condone such a cowardly attack on a woman going about her lawful business and taken completely unaware.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2019, 11:55:32 AM »
Yes.  It's the reason prisons have protective custody ie to protect those who have committed crimes against children, women, the elderly, disabled etc.

So that could answer why Barry George sought such protection in jail
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2019, 12:37:56 AM »
The ITV docu aired 3 (I think) phone calls made by what sounded to me as a male with possibly a Central European accent. I will have to listen again!

How common is it for cranks to make such claims especially given the high publicity?  I'm reminded of Wearside Jack in the Ripper case.

To which “cranks” do you refer?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lt0EXFKDXs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6EAAqU16SE
« Last Edit: April 28, 2019, 12:43:25 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2019, 08:23:22 AM »
To which “cranks” do you refer?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lt0EXFKDXs

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z6EAAqU16SE

Sorry cranks the wrong word.  I meant hoaxers.  Probably the best known example is 'Wearside Jack' in the Ripper case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocsIvgRaNtQ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wearside_Jack
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2019, 09:48:23 AM »
Sorry cranks the wrong word.  I meant hoaxers.  Probably the best known example is 'Wearside Jack' in the Ripper case:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocsIvgRaNtQ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wearside_Jack

Again, I don’t believe the hype. The police had no reason to fit up Barry George.

Hamish Campbell admitted mistakes were made but there’s no reason as far as I can see to doubt his judgement. Of course I wasn’t privy to what “top brass” may have ordered but he strikes me as a humble man who was and is admired by his colleagues and those people who know him best.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2019, 09:51:58 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2019, 09:36:21 AM »
The recent ITV docu highlighted 3 tel calls made to the BBC in the aftermath of the murder.  The calls were subsequently reported on by The Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/25/police-ignored-calls-claiming-jill-dando-killing-serbian-revenge/

1st Call

Made hours after murder 26th April:

“Re the murder of journalist tell your Prime Minister in Belgrade 15 killed so 14 more to go.”

2nd Call

Around 11am day after murder 27th April:

"Yesterday I called to add a few more numbers to the list because your government and in particular your Prime Minister Blair murdered, butchered 17 innocent young people.

3rd Call

28th April:

 “Listen you and the BBC are the voice of your government that's why your reporter is dead because your government killed 17 innocent people.”

The article refers to the caller having an east European accent but only a linguist would be in a position to confirm or reject this claim and I can't find any evidence this actually happened.

Imo the calls are a hoax but maybe the hoaxer was the perp and attempting to deflect. 

I believe one of the calls was traced to Gerrards Cross, South Bucks.

Why the calls don't ring true:

- I believe 16 people were killed during the NATO bombing of RTS.  The first call refers to 15 killed.  The other two calls refer to 17 killed.

- Jill was a broadcaster at the BBC not a journalist.

- The word butchered as in kill brutally and indiscriminately is possibly not a word used in the Serbian language to describe such.  Same might apply to the word Re as in regarding.

- It was a NATO led bombing mission so why the emphasis on the UK and the then prime minister Tony Blair?  Other NATO countries are geographically far closer to Serbia (former Yugoslavia) than UK and I'm sure some or all of those countries had their own Jill Dando or some other equally high profile person who worked in the media and was a soft target. 

- As previously posted given the NATO bombing of RTS occurred around 02.06am 24th Arpil so extremely unlikely anyone could orchestrate a hit in such a short space of time. 
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #11 on: May 17, 2019, 10:16:05 AM »
The recent ITV docu highlighted 3 tel calls made to the BBC in the aftermath of the murder.  The calls were subsequently reported on by The Telegraph

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/25/police-ignored-calls-claiming-jill-dando-killing-serbian-revenge/

1st Call

Made hours after murder 26th April:

“Re the murder of journalist tell your Prime Minister in Belgrade 15 killed so 14 more to go.”

2nd Call

Around 11am day after murder 27th April:

"Yesterday I called to add a few more numbers to the list because your government and in particular your Prime Minister Blair murdered, butchered 17 innocent young people.

3rd Call

28th April:

 “Listen you and the BBC are the voice of your government that's why your reporter is dead because your government killed 17 innocent people.”

The article refers to the caller having an east European accent but only a linguist would be in a position to confirm or reject this claim and I can't find any evidence this actually happened.

Imo the calls are a hoax but maybe the hoaxer was the perp and attempting to deflect. 

I believe one of the calls was traced to Gerrards Cross, South Bucks.

Why the calls don't ring true:

- I believe 16 people were killed during the NATO bombing of RTS.  The first call refers to 15 killed.  The other two calls refer to 17 killed.

- Jill was a broadcaster at the BBC not a journalist.

- The word butchered as in kill brutally and indiscriminately is possibly not a word used in the Serbian language to describe such.  Same might apply to the word Re as in regarding.

- It was a NATO led bombing mission so why the emphasis on the UK and the then prime minister Tony Blair?  Other NATO countries are geographically far closer to Serbia (former Yugoslavia) than UK and I'm sure some or all of those countries had their own Jill Dando or some other equally high profile person who worked in the media and was a soft target. 

- As previously posted given the NATO bombing of RTS occurred around 02.06am 24th Arpil so extremely unlikely anyone could orchestrate a hit in such a short space of time.

Police dismissed a telephone call claiming responsibility for the murder of Jill Dando in revenge for the NATO bombing of Serbian TV headquarters, a new documentary claims[/u].[/b]


FACTS Holly! NOT conspiracy theories or CLAIMS made by ITV!


“Chief inspector Campbell added: 'The Dando investigation is clear on what evidence it has at a forensic level, and what the witnesses said they saw or heard or knew in 1999. They remain unchanged.'
TV investigator Mark Williams-Thomas last year claimed he had been given the name of the killer.
But Mr Campbell said all 'new leads' that crop up as years go by should be questioned.
'Especially when persons state the theories through the media or TV, and not the police,' he said

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6948879/Jill-Dandos-death-unexplained-unless-gun-used-kill-found.html
« Last Edit: May 17, 2019, 10:29:13 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Phone Calls Claiming Responsibility
« Reply #12 on: May 17, 2019, 11:27:53 AM »
Police dismissed a telephone call claiming responsibility for the murder of Jill Dando in revenge for the NATO bombing of Serbian TV headquarters, a new documentary claims[/u].[/b]


FACTS Holly! NOT conspiracy theories or CLAIMS made by ITV!


“Chief inspector Campbell added: 'The Dando investigation is clear on what evidence it has at a forensic level, and what the witnesses said they saw or heard or knew in 1999. They remain unchanged.'
TV investigator Mark Williams-Thomas last year claimed he had been given the name of the killer.
But Mr Campbell said all 'new leads' that crop up as years go by should be questioned.
'Especially when persons state the theories through the media or TV, and not the police,' he said

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6948879/Jill-Dandos-death-unexplained-unless-gun-used-kill-found.html

Claims of responsibility regarding the murder of Jill Dando and a death threat made towards Tony Hall in retaliation for the NATO bombing or Radio Television Serbia (RTS) did actually happen.  No one knows for sure what these calls amounted to since the caller wasn't traced.  I've already said imo Serbs were not responsible for the murder but whether these calls were simply a hoax or the perp(s) attempting to deflect blame only the caller will know for sure. 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/apr/29/janinegibson

Tony Hall confirms he received the death threat and the police took it seriously:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0003w40/the-murder-of-jill-dando @ 17.50

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