At Last a Podcast from the Experts.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I dont particularly see woke and wandered as likely....the point im making is woke and wandered rubbishes the cadaver alerts.....i think they are rubbish

Some sceptics appear to believe that the McCanns found Madeleine after she wandered off, fell off the balcony, into the swimming pool or down a hole and brought her body back to the apartment prior to hiding it.  The only problem with this theory is that she would have needed to have woke, wandered, died and been found  before the McCanns left the apartment in order for there to be time for cadaver odour to have developed and that scenario is just plain illogical.

[Wonderfulspam]

The Child Catcher just happened by as Maddie wandered out.
He lured her away with lollipops & treacle tart, then a burglar came by, opening the window & shutters. Then later, the rubbish cadaver dog was barking up the wrong tree.

You have to believe in a whole heap of garbage to accept the woke & wandered or abduction scenarios.


 

[Wonderfulspam]

Some sceptics appear to believe that the McCanns found Madeleine after she wandered off, fell off the balcony, into the swimming pool or down a hole and brought her body back to the apartment prior to hiding it.  The only problem with this theory is that she would have needed to have woke, wandered, died and been found  before the McCanns left the apartment in order for there to be time for cadaver odour to have developed and that scenario is just plain illogical.

I agree, it sounds like nonsense.

[Mr Gray]

The Child Catcher just happened by as Maddie wandered out.
He lured her away with lollipops & treacle tart, then a burglar came by, opening the window & shutters. Then later, the rubbish cadaver dog was barking up the wrong tree.

You have to believe in a whole heap of garbage to accept the woke & wandered or abduction scenarios.

no time for cadaver odour to develop if maddie was removed from the apartment before 10...so dogs barking up the wrong tree..

[ShiningInLuz]

I dont particularly see woke and wandered as likely....the point im making is woke and wandered rubbishes the cadaver alerts.....i think they are rubbish

It doesn't.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The Child Catcher just happened by as Maddie wandered out.
He lured her away with lollipops & treacle tart, then a burglar came by, opening the window & shutters. Then later, the rubbish cadaver dog was barking up the wrong tree.

You have to believe in a whole heap of garbage to accept the woke & wandered or abduction scenarios.

No you don’t for the abduction theory but you sure do for parents covering up accidental death  and woke and wandered IMO. 

[Mr Gray]

It doesn't.

yes it does...how can the dogs alert to a cadaver....if maddie woke and wandered and there ahs never been another death in the apartment

[Brietta]

Have a look at the PJ File and ask yourself one question.  Was the TV in 5A capable of picking up the football played on 3 May?

Not being picky.

That strikes me as an enigma.

Please supply a direct quote from anyone claiming to have watched a football match in apartment 5A on 3rd May 2007, thank you

[Wonderfulspam]

In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crime-scene-canines-835047.html

[ShiningInLuz]

The podcast doesn't support the idea of accidental death and the body not being discovered, and I think the idea that a barefooted child could have left the village of PDL without getting spotted is ridiculous. People accidentally dispose of their bodies in mid winter on the Scottish mountains, but just as in your UK case, they always find them in the end and that's without anywhere near the resources listed in Mark Harrison's report.  You won't get more undeveloped, rougher, remoter terrain than in the Scottish mountains but accidental deaths always turn up in the end, unless you're Suzanne Piley.

I haven't watched any of the podcasts, so I am not in a position to debate any of them.

If you ever get the urge to visit Luz, I'll be happy to show you around the large areas of land that fit woke and wandered.

Bring some stout walking boots.  Glaswegians may be tough, but the going will be rough.

[Wonderfulspam]

Please supply a direct quote from anyone claiming to have watched a football match in apartment 5A on 3rd May 2007, thank you

Jane Tanner.

".....Kate had been moaning that you'd been gone a long time watching the football"

https://youtu.be/na4aBr5PTYY?t=104

[misty]

Have a look at the PJ File and ask yourself one question.  Was the TV in 5A capable of picking up the football played on 3 May?

Not being picky.

That strikes me as an enigma.

RTP showed the UEFA (Europa) Cup in 2007. Is that station cable or satellite?

[Brietta]

Jane Tanner.

".....Kate had been moaning that you'd been gone a long time watching the football"

https://youtu.be/na4aBr5PTYY?t=104

Thank you ... musing such as that made by Jane is precisely what I did not request.

To reiterate ...
I asked for a direct quote from anyone who claimed to have watched a football match in apartment 5A.

[Vertigo Swirl]

RTP showed the UEFA (Europa) Cup in 2007. Is that station cable or satellite?

No, it’s a national TV station. There was a UEFA semi final on that night.

[Mr Gray]

In a study published last year, the forensic pathologist Lars Oesterhelweg, then at the University of Bern in Switzerland, and colleagues tested the ability of three Hamburg State Police cadaver dogs to pick out – of a line-up of six new carpet squares – the one that had been exposed for no more than 10 minutes to a recently deceased person.

Several squares had been placed beneath a clothed corpse within three hours of death, when some organs and many cells of the human body are still functioning. Over the next month, the dogs did hundreds of trials in which they signalled the contaminated square with 98 per cent accuracy, falling to 94 per cent when the square had been in contact with the corpse for only two minutes. The research concluded that cadaver dogs were an "outstanding tool" for crime-scene investigation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/the-csi-death-dogs-sniffing-out-the-truth-behind-the-crime-scene-canines-835047.html

What that shows is that the dogs are, accurate with freshly contaminated carpet squares