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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #240 on: June 12, 2019, 12:15:59 PM »
Sorry, Rob, my mistake.   *%^^& I meant Russell.
Russell O'Brien, or  ROB but often on the forum here they call me "Rob", so I got confused sorry.
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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #241 on: June 12, 2019, 12:16:29 PM »
The Netflix interview with Jayne Jensen confirmed to me Jez's statement had a serious flaw.  He was asked to come to the reconstruction but really only agreed to it if all the others did as well. 
Were the PJ going to use the reconstruction, showing the apparent impossibility of Jane Tanner walking past Jez and Gerry and not being noticed, to take the whole lot of them and make them all arguidos.
Would they turn around and say JT is also lying for they couldn't have been on the street at that time.

As it didn't happen, one can only speculate what the outcome(s) might have been.
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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #242 on: June 12, 2019, 12:24:51 PM »
As it didn't happen, one can only speculate what the outcome(s) might have been.
But if you read the e-mail exchange you can read what they were worried about.  The PJ must have known about Totman taking his child home, they would then know what direction he was walking.  Jane Tanner described a man walking the other way.  Did they believe her?
They had the statements from Jayne and Annie and they clearly spoke to Jez but Jez said he didn't go out "searching" but he was out for the women to speak to him.    Something didn't add up there. 

Gerry was already an arguido.

Russell - what did they have on him?   
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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #243 on: June 12, 2019, 12:28:32 PM »
The Netflix interview with Jayne Jensen confirmed to me Jez's statement had a serious flaw.  He was asked to come to the reconstruction but really only agreed to it if all the others did as well. 
Were the PJ going to use the reconstruction, showing the apparent impossibility of Jane Tanner walking past Jez and Gerry and not being noticed, to take the whole lot of them and make them all arguidos?
Would they turn around and say JT is also lying for they couldn't have been on the street at that time?

No one seems to care that Gez Wilkins refused to do a reconstruction.

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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #244 on: June 12, 2019, 12:30:42 PM »

But if you read the e-mail exchange you can read what they were worried about.  The PJ must have known about Totman taking his child home, they would then know what direction he was walking.  Jane Tanner described a man walking the other way.  Did they believe her?
They had the statements from Jayne and Annie and they clearly spoke to Jez but Jez said he didn't go out "searching" but he was out for the women to speak to him.    Something didn't add up there. 

Gerry was already an arguido.

Russell - what did they have on him?

Rachael was going to get in trouble for involving the press.  She was trying to get a reassurance she wasn't going to be arrested for doing that as a result of the "reconstruction".
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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #245 on: June 12, 2019, 12:32:13 PM »
But if you read the e-mail exchange you can read what they were worried about.  The PJ must have known about Totman taking his child home, they would then know what direction he was walking.  Jane Tanner described a man walking the other way.  Did they believe her?
They had the statements from Jayne and Annie and they clearly spoke to Jez but Jez said he didn't go out "searching" but he was out for the women to speak to him.    Something didn't add up there. 

Gerry was already an arguido.

Russell - what did they have on him?

There's no evidence that the PJ knew anything about Totman or those two sisters afaik?
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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #246 on: June 12, 2019, 12:37:04 PM »
No one seems to care that Gez Wilkins refused to do a reconstruction.
Well I have discussed this before on this forum and the general view was he hadn't refused.  It is hard to say if you have refused or agreed when you say "I'll go only if they all go".  There was always the additional possibility of saying something came up and made that date impossible. 
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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #247 on: June 12, 2019, 12:41:45 PM »
There's no evidence that the PJ knew anything about Totman or those two sisters afaik?
Unless you say they are liars.  They both say they gave statements to the police at the time.  Why would the UK police not share that with the PJ? 

I think the PJ knew.  The UK police didn't agree to release their statements at the time of the archiving, so we don't know for sure what happened but the Totmans and the sisters both say they gave statements.
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« Reply #248 on: June 12, 2019, 12:57:05 PM »
Unless you say they are liars.  They both say they gave statements to the police at the time.  Why would the UK police not share that with the PJ? 

I think the PJ knew.  The UK police didn't agree to release their statements at the time of the archiving, so we don't know for sure what happened but the Totmans and the sisters both say they gave statements.

I was talking about evidence. I don't consider media reports to be evidence.

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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #249 on: June 12, 2019, 01:19:34 PM »
I was talking about evidence. I don't consider media reports to be evidence.
What about hearing them speak as in a video?
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« Reply #250 on: June 12, 2019, 02:17:34 PM »
What about hearing them speak as in a video?

Why would the UK police wish to hide evidence which had already been aired in the media?
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« Reply #251 on: June 12, 2019, 03:07:34 PM »
What about hearing them speak as in a video?

Speaking on a video confirms exactly what was said,( unless edited to deceive), but doesn't mean that the content of  what was said is correct
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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #252 on: June 12, 2019, 03:55:43 PM »
Speaking on a video confirms exactly what was said,( unless edited to deceive), but doesn't mean that the content of  what was said is correct

Agreed Jassi, but it's one step up from whatever an inspector noted during Gerry's first interview involving a 3-way conversation, for example. IMO.

Perhaps he did lie, or got mixed up. No idea, I wasn't there. On the other hand, a lost-in-translation /confusion issue seems totally plausible to me.

Whatever people's views, I find it important to at least be open to context.

My impression is that you are on the whole, Jassi, but others aren't.

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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #253 on: June 12, 2019, 06:58:23 PM »
Why would the UK police wish to hide evidence which had already been aired in the media?
It is their policy to keep certain information close to their chest.  Maybe they haven't noticed the significance of the fact yet?
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Re: Do witness statements have any relevance at a trial?
« Reply #254 on: June 12, 2019, 07:01:28 PM »
Speaking on a video confirms exactly what was said,( unless edited to deceive), but doesn't mean that the content of  what was said is correct
That is what detectives are paid to do.    If you think the discrepancies in Gerry's statements are significant, how about what is now appearing in Jez' statement? 
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