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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #75 on: June 19, 2019, 11:49:41 AM »
This is important -

Mitchell phoned Ovens at 17:40pm to ask whether Jodi was coming out.

Ovens told him she had already left to meet him.

Mitchell replied “ok, cool”.

Ehhhh, I thought he was at home cooking the dinner? Why didn’t Mitchell argue this to Ovens? By saying “ok, cool”, he is more or less saying a plan had indeed been made. 

His lack of argument with Ovens on the phone about Jodi leaving to meet him is evidence of him having knowledge of the arrangement.

Any thoughts? Please refer to the appeal papers Luke Mitchell v. Her Majesty’s Advocate (2008, 2011) for details.

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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #76 on: June 19, 2019, 12:09:07 PM »
This is important -

Mitchell phoned Ovens at 17:40pm to ask whether Jodi was coming out.

Ovens told him she had already left to meet him.

Mitchell replied “ok, cool”.

Ehhhh, I thought he was at home cooking the dinner? Why didn’t Mitchell argue this to Ovens? By saying “ok, cool”, he is more or less saying a plan had indeed been made. 

His lack of argument with Ovens on the phone about Jodi leaving to meet him is evidence of him having knowledge of the arrangement.

Any thoughts? Please refer to the appeal papers Luke Mitchell v. Her Majesty’s Advocate (2008, 2011) for details.

@ 10.11 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4

4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile

Allegedly Corrine Mitchell arrived home from work at 5.15pm and Luke Mitchell left the house at 5.30pm

How long does it take to cook and burn a pie? (Pies usually take over half an hour to cook)

5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s40.html

“Mitchell may have been calm, but his story was erratic. The accounts he gave of why he never showed any concern over Jodi's non-appearance varied with every person he spoke to: his friends, Jodi's family, the police. It was these fabrications that initially roused police suspicions.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jan/22/ukcrime.gerardseenan


Suspicion fell on Mitchell within days of the crime because of inconsistencies in his story, witness accounts of his suspicious behaviour and a sighting of somebody matching his description at the murder scene.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/convicted-of-murder-teenager-obsessed-by-occult-487831.html
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #77 on: June 19, 2019, 12:42:01 PM »

@ 10.11 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4

4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother

Speaking clock phoned at 5.03pm from mobile

Allegedly Corrine Mitchell arrived home from work at 5.15pm and Luke Mitchell left the house at 5.30pm

How long does it take to cook and burn a pie? (Pies usually take over half an hour to cook)

5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s40.html

@ approx 5.20 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4 Corinne Mitchell claims Luke phoned her whilst she was in the back garden, looking for JJ?

@ approx 6.34 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4 there’s mention of the text message from JJ’s mum re: right toad you’re grounded etc

@ approx 7.17 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4 there’s mention of another phone call to Luke and a search party being organised

@ 45.15 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4 Corrine Mitchell discusses the phone call made by Luke to ask her what to cook for dinner (ergo the pie has yet to go in the oven)
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #78 on: June 19, 2019, 01:40:38 PM »
@ approx 10.47 here  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4 Corrine Mitchell claims Luke dialled 999 in the first instance (After discovery of JJ)


“The trial also heard how Mitchell's mobile phone records showed he had tried to concoct an unbreakable alibi.

After killing Jodi, he phoned her home to find out where she was.

On the night of her death, Jodi and Mitchell had been seen together at the start of Roan's Dyke.

It is still not known exactly what happened as they walked the path but Jodi's body was found in the woods half way along it.

Mitchell's story was he was at home all the time, making a meal, and that he was alone until his mother returned.

But the evidence of Luke's brother Shane was crucial.

Computer records revealed he was in the house viewing internet porn and he testified that he had taken precautions to ensure he was alone.

But Mitchell's mother Corinne backed his story, insisting he was in the house. Mrs Mitchell had stood by her son all the way through the trial.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4188339.stm

THE Jodi Jones murder trial was told yesterday that the record of Luke Mitchell's phone had been wiped out hours after the schoolgirl died.

A "Love U" text message from Kimberley Thomson, a former girlfriend of Mr Mitchell's, three days before the murder, had also been deleted, along with Judith Jones's attempt to contact her daughter to tell her she was "grounded" for staying out late.

Derek Morris, 56, from Lothian and Borders Police technical support unit, said he had carried out tests on Mr Mitchell's mobile phone the day after Jodi's death.

Mr Morris said the phone's record of last numbers dialled showed only one call instead of the usual 10. It was to Mr Mitchell's mother at 39 minutes past midnight. "That was the only one listed. He must have deleted the call register and started again, " said Mr Morris.

Records from the mobile phone company listed a call from Mr Mitchell's mobile to his mother at 31 minutes past midnight. Mr Morris said he thought the records had been deleted between the two calls.

Mr Morris also described how he had carried out more sophisticated tests on the phone's SIM card to try to recover deleted messages.

Both the inbox and outbox were empty, but the SIM card revealed a message received on the evening of Friday, June 27, 2003, saying: "Luke its Kim im at ma grans can u phone mi on (number) Love u xKimx" Another message on the SIM card at 10.41pm from Jodi's mother read: "2 wks grounding toad . . . Say bye 2 luke".

The court has heard that someone made a 22-minute internet connection from the Mitchell home in Newbattle, Dalkeith, just before 5pm on June 30, 2003.
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12406880.phone-record-of-jodi-murder-accused-wiped/
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #79 on: June 19, 2019, 02:13:03 PM »
This is important -

Mitchell phoned Ovens at 17:40pm to ask whether Jodi was coming out.

Ovens told him she had already left to meet him.

Mitchell replied “ok, cool”.

Ehhhh, I thought he was at home cooking the dinner? Why didn’t Mitchell argue this to Ovens? By saying “ok, cool”, he is more or less saying a plan had indeed been made. 

His lack of argument with Ovens on the phone about Jodi leaving to meet him is evidence of him having knowledge of the arrangement.

Any thoughts? Please refer to the appeal papers Luke Mitchell v. Her Majesty’s Advocate (2008, 2011) for details.

“The court earlier heard of a six-hour police interview with Luke Mitchell where he was asked why he had not contacted Jodi when she failed to turn up to meet him as arranged.

Detective Sergeant George Thomson told the court Luke Mitchell had told them that he thought Jodi had met somebody else and had gone off with them.

But prosecutor Alan Turnbull QC put it to him that: "These two youngsters had met up every night, if they could, and she had only once before failed to keep an arrangement."

Sgt Thomson replied: "That is correct
."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/4135539.stm
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #80 on: June 19, 2019, 02:13:49 PM »
Nicholas - Can you please stop spamming the thread with links to websites? There’s no discussion taking place relating to them, and that’s after I posed a couple of interesting conversation starters.

The links are of no relevance at the particular time you are posting them, and it is actually appearing to look as though you are now spamming the thread.

Please ask some questions or take part in some discussions.  This is my thread, so I am asking you politely to do something constructive. 

Thank you.

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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #81 on: June 19, 2019, 02:16:53 PM »
appeal papers Luke Mitchell v. Her Majesty’s Advocate (2008, 2011)

Events prior to the murder
[10] The deceased's freedom to go out of an evening was restricted by her mother in the weeks prior to her death, but she was released from that restriction on the afternoon of the murder. She arrived home at around 1605 hours. At 1635 she used her mother's mobile phone to send a text message to the appellant. The appellant responded at 1636. A further text was sent by the deceased to him at 1638. The terms of these text messages were not preserved. The deceased left her house at about 1650, informing her mother that she was going to meet the appellant and would be "mucking about up here". At 1654 a call was made from the appellant's mobile telephone to the speaking clock.

[11] The appellant telephoned the deceased's house at 1732, but received no reply. At 1740 he called again, and spoke to Alan Ovens, asking if the deceased was in. He was informed that she had left to meet him. He replied, "OK, cool". Ovens informed Judith Jones about this call. The deceased was due to return home by 2200, but did not. At 2241 Judith Jones sent a text to the appellant's mobile phone, indicating that the deceased was again grounded. The appellant then telephoned Mrs Jones, informing her that he had not seen the deceased. At 2300 a search party, consisting of the deceased's grandmother, Alice Walker, Janine Jones and her boyfriend, Steven Kelly, left the deceased's house and began walking along the path from the Easthouses end heading west. The appellant, accompanied by his dog, walked from the west end of the path heading in the opposite direction. He met the rest of the search party near the east end of the path. Thereafter all the members of the party headed west along the path.
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #82 on: June 19, 2019, 02:25:58 PM »
Please ask some questions or take part in some discussions.

Why did Luke Mitchell telephone the speaking clock 1 minute before allegedly telephoning his mother at work?

At 1654 a call was made from the appellant's mobile telephone to the speaking clock.

4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile

Why do the times change over the years and new details appear to have been added to the original story?
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #83 on: June 19, 2019, 02:43:16 PM »
This is important -

Mitchell phoned Ovens at 17:40pm to ask whether Jodi was coming out.

Ovens told him she had already left to meet him.

Mitchell replied “ok, cool”.

Ehhhh, I thought he was at home cooking the dinner? Why didn’t Mitchell argue this to Ovens? By saying “ok, cool”, he is more or less saying a plan had indeed been made. 

His lack of argument with Ovens on the phone about Jodi leaving to meet him is evidence of him having knowledge of the arrangement.

Any thoughts? Please refer to the appeal papers Luke Mitchell v. Her Majesty’s Advocate (2008, 2011) for details.

How long does it take to cook and burn a pie? (Pies usually take over half an hour to cook)

In 2010 Luke Mitchell’s apparently doesn’t remember exactly what was said.

5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s40.html


“The court earlier heard of a six-hour police interview with Luke Mitchell where he was asked why he had not contacted Jodi when she failed to turn up to meet him as arranged.

Detective Sergeant George Thomson told the court Luke Mitchell had told them that he thought Jodi had met somebody else and had gone off with them.

@ approx 5.20 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4 Corinne Mitchell claims Luke phoned her whilst she was in the back garden, looking for JJ?
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #84 on: June 19, 2019, 08:40:59 PM »
This is important -

Mitchell phoned Ovens at 17:40pm to ask whether Jodi was coming out.

Ovens told him she had already left to meet him.

Mitchell replied “ok, cool”.

Ehhhh, I thought he was at home cooking the dinner? Why didn’t Mitchell argue this to Ovens? By saying “ok, cool”, he is more or less saying a plan had indeed been made. 

His lack of argument with Ovens on the phone about Jodi leaving to meet him is evidence of him having knowledge of the arrangement.

Any thoughts? Please refer to the appeal papers Luke Mitchell v. Her Majesty’s Advocate (2008, 2011) for details.

I agree.

During Corrine Mitchell’s interview with James English she claimed Luke left the house at 5.40pm yet in 2010 the time was allegedly 5.30pm?

5.30pm Luke leaves the house and walks to the end of the street
5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said.
5.40pm Judy and Alan leave the house to go to the cemetery immediately
following the phone call from Luke (therefore Joseph now has no alibi)

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s40.html

She also says as soon as Luke would get in from school he would phone her at work to see what was for tea? Hasn’t it been suggested somewhere that he phoned the speaking clock to time the pie? Yet according to the above times here http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10768.msg537880#msg537880 he phoned the speaking clock before phoning his mum, so he’s yet to know what’s for tea?
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #85 on: June 19, 2019, 08:54:29 PM »
During Corrine Mitchell’s interview with James English

she’s asked who she thinks carried out the murder and suggests it’s “the person who confessed and the person who was positively ID’d but she gives mixed messages because she also says that her and Sandra Lean think the motive for the murder was a punishment killing?

“He’s had helpers 
“we think it’s been a punishment killing 
“he’s found out something that she’s done and he’s punished her for it
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #86 on: June 20, 2019, 12:31:57 PM »

@ 10.11 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4

4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother
5.03pm Luke phones the speaking clock from his mobile

Allegedly Corrine Mitchell arrived home from work at 5.15pm and Luke Mitchell left the house at 5.30pm

How long does it take to cook and burn a pie? (Pies usually take over half an hour to cook)

5.32pm Luke calls Jodis house, but the line is engaged
5.40pm Luke calls the house again this time Alan Ovens answers. He says he
told Luke Jodi had left to meet him. Luke doesnt remember exactly what was said
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/shirleymckie/luke-mitchell-jodi-jones-the-map-t609-s40.html

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In his police statement he says that he arrived home after his brother who was upstairs. He says that he had earlier telephoned his mothers caravan business and spoke with his gran who advised him to take a chicken pie out of the freezer for dinner.  He stated that he made dinner but burned the pie.  He stated that his mother returned from work at 5.15pm and helped him finish off making dinner. He also stated that Shane came down and got his dinner, moaned a bit about the burnt pie and returned back upstairs.

A frozen chicken pie would take over half an hour to cook and burn! (I would estimate it would take at least 40-50 minutes to cook a chicken pie from frozen)

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For the mothers part, Corinne Mitchell gave a statement and also testified at the trial. She told of returning home at 5.15pm to find Luke brandishing some broccoli.  She also says that Shane came down for his dinner before returning back up to his bedroom. She stated that Luke left the family home after 5.30pm although I have seen posts by Corinne which puts this as late as 5.40pm...remember the sighting by Messrs Fleming and Walsh half a mile away at 5.42pm!
 

Shane Mitchell, 23, initially told detectives he got home from work about 3.40pm on the day Jodi died.

But he later made a second statement and changed the time he returned home to nearly 5pm.

The trial hears that an examination of Shane's computer revealed that it had been used to view pornographic websites between 4.53pm and 5.16pm.


Shane tells the court he gave a number of statements to police in the weeks following Jodi's death.

Advocate Depute Alan Turnbull QC reads from the statement given on July 3 where Shane tells police he returned home from work at 3.40pm.

Shane says that he cannot remember what he said. He agrees he made a second statement on July 7 but he could not remember exactly how it came about.

He says: 'It is a long time ago and a lot has passed. I believe I wanted to make a second statement because there were errors in my first one.'

In his new statement he gave the time he returned home as 'between 4.55pm and 5pm.'

Shane also agrees with the Advocate Depute that he was questioned by police on April 14 last year, the same day his brother was arrested.

Alan Turnbull QC asks: 'Were you told during the interview that the police suspected you might have deliberately given them false information earlier?'

Shane replies: 'Yes.'
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/jodi-accused-s-brother-suspected-of-giving-police-false-statement-1-670948
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #87 on: June 20, 2019, 04:13:08 PM »
A frozen chicken pie would take over half an hour to cook and burn! (I would estimate it would take at least 40-50 minutes to cook a chicken pie from frozen)
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/jodi-accused-s-brother-suspected-of-giving-police-false-statement-1-670948

This person thinks around 45 minutes https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=4368699

Plus you’d need to allow time for the oven to heat up

In reality the pie would still be in the oven when Luke Mitchell is alleged to have left his house.

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4.55pm Luke phones his mothers work and speaks to his grandmother

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He says that he had earlier telephoned his mothers caravan business and spoke with his gran who advised him to take a chicken pie out of the freezer for dinner.  He stated that he made dinner but burned the pie.

45 minutes would take the time to 5.40pm - not allowing for time for the oven to heat up

Here https://www.livestrong.com/article/458292-how-to-bake-a-frozen-cooked-chicken-pie/ it recommends 50 minutes plus time to pre heat oven
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #88 on: June 20, 2019, 04:32:42 PM »
A STEAK pie is mentioned here:


“THE brother of Jodi Jones murder accused Luke Mitchell today admitted discussing his police statement with his mother before telling police Luke was in the family’s house on the day the schoolgirl was killed.
In a statement given to police on July 7, 2003, Shane Mitchell said he recalled seeing his brother in the kitchen "mashing tatties".

The High Court in Edinburgh heard that his mother had given a statement the previous day also claiming that Luke was in the kitchen that evening "cooking pies and mashing potatoes". But the jury previously heard that when Shane was questioned by police on April 14 last year he said he had not seen Luke in the house on the evening of June 30, 2003, and that he had been looking at pornography on his computer in his bedroom.

Advocate depute Alan Turnbull, QC, prosecuting, read sections of Shane’s statement from July 7 to the jury. In his statement he told police that he remembered his mother’s car being in the driveway and the front door being open.

His statement continued: "I went into the hallway and shouted out and then went upstairs to the bathroom to wash my hands. About five minutes later I came straight back down. When I was in the bathroom I left the door open.

"Afterwards I went downstairs into the living-room, then into the kitchen. Luke was standing at the cooker mashing tatties. I could smell burnt steak pies. I did not mention the smell because I did not want to insult him.

"He was pretty happy. I spoke to him, then my mother. That was the first time I had seen my mother that day and I was talking to her about how her day had been." The court heard that Shane then went upstairs to log on to his computer but was called down for dinner by Luke five minutes later.

Mr Turnbull asked Mr Mitchell: "I want to understand how it came to be that you make this reference to police about mashing tatties." Mr Turnbull then read out to the court the section of Mrs Mitchell’s statement given on the previous day to Shane’s. She said in her statement: "When I got home Luke was in the kitchen first of all. Luke then strained the potatoes and mashed them. At that point I think Shane came in and I could smell the pies in the oven and I asked one of them to take them out, commenting that Luke had overdone them."

Mr Turnbull then asked Mr Mitchell: "When you came to give your statement the very next day it includes reference to you saying that Luke was mashing the tatties and there being a burning smell."

Mr Mitchell agreed. Mr Turnbull then asked: "How can it be you gave information to police which was incorrect and then give information about mashing tatties and burnt pies.

"Before you gave that statement did you discuss with anyone what you should say to police?"

Mr Mitchell replied: "In a way."

Mr Turnbull said: "Who".

Mitchell replied: "My mother."

Mr Mitchell then admitted he had been affected by this discussion with his mother. "If it had not been for that discussion with your mother would you have been able to give any of this evidence to police?" Mr Turnbull asked.

"Not really," replied Mr Mitchell.

Asked what his mother had said to him after giving her statement Mr Mitchell replied: "She said to me: ‘You came in and Luke was with us and we had tatties for dinner, then you went back out again.’"

Mr Mitchell told the court that he was "extremely shaken" when he gave his statement to police.

Luke Mitchell denies murdering Jodi on June 30, 2003 at a wooded area near Roan’s Dyke, between the Newbattle and Easthouses areas of Dalkeith. The trial continues
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/luke-s-brother-admits-mum-aided-evidence-1-958502
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #89 on: June 20, 2019, 04:43:57 PM »
This is important -

Mitchell phoned Ovens at 17:40pm to ask whether Jodi was coming out.

Ovens told him she had already left to meet him.

Mitchell replied “ok, cool”.

Ehhhh, I thought he was at home cooking the dinner? Why didn’t Mitchell argue this to Ovens? By saying “ok, cool”, he is more or less saying a plan had indeed been made. 

His lack of argument with Ovens on the phone about Jodi leaving to meet him is evidence of him having knowledge of the arrangement.

Any thoughts? Please refer to the appeal papers Luke Mitchell v. Her Majesty’s Advocate (2008, 2011) for details.

Many a controversy over this has been had. Didn't the laddie phone his pal several times chasing him up yet failed to chase up his GF? Why for a mate and not for the lassie? IF he believed she had been grounded which I believe was later stated, then why agree that the stepfather had said she was on her way. Did he think she had returned home and then grounded? Still doesn't make sense that he chased his pal up and not phone to confirm if she had been grounded. Bit of a puzzler thus the controversy IMO