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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #105 on: July 03, 2019, 01:05:41 AM »
Also, how far was the body from the break in the wall, and how thick was the wood/growth? i'm just curious, as when Luke seen the body as soon as he jumped over with his light, i'm very sceptical he could do this, without known what was there already.

13 metres

Which is about 1 and a half times the length of a London bus

or

2 thirds the length of a bowling alley lane

These 2 videos, recorded 3 days after the murder, give you some idea of the thickness of the vegetation etc

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/clothes-recovered-ext-i-c-int-det-insp-tom-martin-news-footage/682856286?adppopup=true

https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/investigation-continues-geissler-towards-chatting-to-news-footage/682855532?adppopup=true

9th December 2004
“IT WAS the eeriest "short country walk" any of them is ever likely to take ... strolling down a path under police guard to see for themselves the area where a teenage girl’s naked and mutilated body had been found.
Rarely, if ever, can jury service have made such a demand on citizens plucked from their everyday lives, but the eight women and seven men hearing the Jodi Jones case had it thrust upon them yesterday.

With Luke Mitchell, the youth accused of the murder, following in their footsteps, the jurors walked Roan’s Dyke path, a countryside short-cut between the residential areas of Easthouses and Newbattle in Dalkeith, Midlothian.

In court, they had already seen video footage and photographs of Jodi’s body as it lay in the undergrowth behind an imposing stone wall which separates the dirt path from woods. They had also been shown a V-shaped break in the wall, created by missing stones, through which access could be gained to the woods. On their "locus inspection" to familiarise themselves with the area, the jurors took the opportunity to climb through the V and have a look in the woods.

Mitchell, 16, denies murdering Jodi, 14, his girlfriend, on 30 June last year by striking her repeatedly on the head and body with a knife at Roan’s Dyke path. The path has featured prominently in evidence led so far at the trial in the High Court in Edinburgh - Jodi’s home in Easthouses was only a couple of minutes’ walk from the entrance at one end of the path, and Mitchell’s home was near the other end in Newbattle.

Jodi’s mother said that, on 30 June, the teenager left their house at about 4:50pm, saying she was going to meet Mitchell. Another witness told of seeing a male and a female at the Easthouses entrance to the path.

Last week, the trial judge, Lord Nimmo Smith, announced to the jury that, in an unusual move, they would be taken to the area "to enable you the better to understand the evidence which we have heard and are going to hear about the path and the wall and the general lie of the land".

He advised them to wear "whatever you think suitable for a relatively short country walk" and said it would be undertaken as long as the weather was not too bad.

Lord Nimmo Smith emphasised that the court would be in session during the walk and, as representatives of the public, the media would be allowed to attend and report on the event. However, the judge said it would be subject to the normal rules which severely limited television filming and photography. A police operation would ensure that no members of the public encroached on to the path and that the visit took place without intervention or distraction.

"You will have to bear in mind that the vegetation is not the same as it was at 30 June, 2003," Lord Nimmo Smith reminded the jurors.

"You might want to decide among yourselves which places you are particularly interested in looking at. I am going to stay at a distance and everybody else will, too. I do not expect to need to communicate with you during this, unless something completely unexpected arises. Feel free to talk among yourselves. Take all the time you feel you need to take."

Yesterday, the court convened as usual at 10am, but the time was the only thing normal about the day’s proceedings.

For a start, the judge and the prosecution and defence lawyers had discarded their wigs and gowns for "civvies". Then, within minutes, the jurors were boarding a coach, while the judge, lawyers and media shared a second coach.

In convoy, the buses were led through city-centre traffic and red lights by police motorcycle outriders. Puzzled pedestrians strained to get a look through the windows, thinking perhaps that someone famous was on board.

On reaching Easthouses, where the road had been sealed off, the coaches slowed as they passed Jodi Jones’s home in Parkhead Place. Police stood guard at the entrance to the Roan’s Dyke path, where sunflowers, now becoming the worse for wear, and a small Winnie the Pooh and a teddy bear were tied to a lamppost, tributes to the dead schoolgirl.

As the jurors headed off down the path, Mitchell arrived in a car, and he and a couple of escorting security officers joined his team of lawyers, led by the QC, Donald Findlay.

Lord Nimmo Smith picked up the trail behind the jurors, followed by the advocate-depute, Alan Turnbull, QC, his assistant, the defence team and then Mitchell, with reporters at the rear. All were closely observed by police officers, including a dog-handler.

In beautiful sunshine, jurors stopped at a point where the path divides, one way leading to Newtongrange on what is known as the Lady Path, and the other continuing to Newbattle. A large gap in the wall gives access to woods at that spot, and the jury had heard that the initials LM and JJ had been carved on a tree.

The Roan’s Dyke path is a narrow track, people having to walk single file some of the way, and has open fields on one side and the wall with the woods behind it on the other. That it is a popular short-cut can be seen from the amount of litter strewn about the undergrowth.

Jurors spent time at the V in the wall, about halfway down the path, and the procession emerged at Newbattle Road, some 30 minutes after setting out at Easthouses.

Again, a sunflower tribute to Jodi could be seen tied to a tree. Here, however, a small toy rabbit had fallen to the ground and it lay in the mud, dirty and abandoned.

The coach trip back to Edinburgh passed near to Mitchell’s home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent.

Evidence in the trial is to resume today at a specially-built courtroom in Parliament House, Edinburgh, where a replica of a stretch of the wall at Roan’s Dyke has been erected.
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/solemn-journey-for-jodi-trial-jury-1-565082
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #106 on: July 03, 2019, 01:27:58 AM »

Also, how far was the body from the break in the wall, and how thick was the wood/growth? i'm just curious, as when Luke seen the body as soon as he jumped over with his light, i'm very sceptical he could do this, without known what was there already.

Imagine if the jury had been shown Sandra Leans footage only (Same lady from first podcast)

Here she is in a thick looking puffer style 3/4 length coat with fur hood - suggesting the video was shot in late autumn/winter?  *&^^&

@ approx 3.12 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vE5rMioQIlU
« Last Edit: July 03, 2019, 01:32:09 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #107 on: July 03, 2019, 01:45:26 AM »
A question i have you might know, is who seen the 2 guys on the moped, and who seen the moped parked against the wall, for all the reading iv'e done on this, i cant seem to find an answer to this.

I don’t know who saw them but the below news report sounds to me as though there may have been more than one witness? The detailing in the sighting seems in depth and police reports suggest they were traced and eliminated from their enquiry.
No mention of the moped being parked against the wall?

5 days after the murder

05 Jul 2003
“Police hunting the killer of Jodi Jones are hoping to trace two teenagers seen near the entrance to a pathway on the night the teenager was murdered.
Officers hope the two boys, who were riding a small moped, may have seen something vital to the case. They were spotted near the Roman Dyke path last Monday evening when Jodi, from the Easthouses area of Dalkeith, was stabbed to death as she went to meet her boyfriend.
Members of her family discovered her partially-clothed and mutilated body when they went out to look for her after she failed to return home.
Detective Inspector Tom Martin said: "We are very keen to speak to these two boys. We have to stress that we do not believe these two are directly linked to the inquiry but we need to trace them to establish what, if anything, they may have seen.
"They attracted attention because they seemed to be having some engine problems with their bike which was initially very noisy but eventually cut out altogether leaving the boys to push it."
He described the bike as a home-made style moped with a 16in frame and a fat back tyre, hand painted dark grey.
He added that the rider of the bike was 15-17 years old and was wearing a dark top and had short dark hair. His friend was a similar age, 5ft 7in to 5ft 8in, wearing a light coloured long-sleeved top and a light-coloured baseball cap.
The latest appeal for information comes as detectives plan to stage a reconstruction of Jodi's last known movements this Monday at 5pm.
A police officer is expected to assume the role of Jodi and walk from the teenager's home in Easthouses to Roman Dyke, the path near where she was found.
Meanwhile, forensic teams are examining items removed during a search of the house where Jodi's boyfriend lives, located close to her family home.
No-one was arrested as a result of the search in which several items, including a computer, were removed, Lothian and Borders Police said.
Police quizzed the 14-year-old boy several times yesterday but stressed that the interviews were simply a matter of procedure.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1434938/Teenagers-sought-in-Jodi-murder-hunt.html

Again 5 days after the murder
https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/video/investigation-continuies-itn-scotland-dalkeith-ext-i-c-news-footage/682861932?adppopup=true
« Last Edit: July 03, 2019, 02:01:51 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline WakeyWakey

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #108 on: July 03, 2019, 01:17:06 PM »
Recntly registerd after lurking for while

aftr watchin the 3 james englihs videos ive repeatedly tried to ask sandra same question in comments on james videos adn her own youtube channel:

"Sandra, hw come you never adress questions about shanes testimony - or about what he say nowadays as grown man with a clear consciense? Have you spoke to him recently? Are you suggestin he lied in court and is liein now?"

- every time i aks anythin about his bro the comment is immediately removed - im guessin sandra reports it

imo this is enormous red flag - anyoen who has the chance to speak to her in person or on forum should push for good answer to questions abuot shane - what he said at the time, and what he says nowdays. he's clearly a weak link in her version of events

And her runnin a mile from any questoin about him is extremely telling

Mr Turnbull said: “Have we now reached the truth, Mr Mitchell?” The witness replied: “Yes”

^ what he said after testimony

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #109 on: July 03, 2019, 01:31:17 PM »
Recntly registerd after lurking for while

aftr watchin the 3 james englihs videos ive repeatedly tried to ask sandra same question in comments on james videos adn her own youtube channel:

"Sandra, hw come you never adress questions about shanes testimony - or about what he say nowadays as grown man with a clear consciense? Have you spoke to him recently? Are you suggestin he lied in court and is liein now?"

- every time i aks anythin about his bro the comment is immediately removed - im guessin sandra reports it

imo this is enormous red flag - anyoen who has the chance to speak to her in person or on forum should push for good answer to questions abuot shane - what he said at the time, and what he says nowdays. he's clearly a weak link in her version of events

And her runnin a mile from any questoin about him is extremely telling

Mr Turnbull said: “Have we now reached the truth, Mr Mitchell?” The witness replied: “Yes”

^ what he said after testimony

Welcome to the forum WW  8((()*/

Might be worthwhile reading about emotional abusers and controllers and their double standards.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #110 on: July 03, 2019, 01:41:49 PM »
"Sandra, hw come you never adress questions about shanes testimony - or about what he say nowadays as grown man with a clear consciense? Have you spoke to him recently? Are you suggestin he lied in court and is liein now?"

imo this is enormous red flag - anyoen who has the chance to speak to her in person or on forum should push for good answer to questions abuot shane - what he said at the time, and what he says nowdays. he's clearly a weak link in her version of events

Won’t answer questions about Shane Mitchell but has no problem publishing a 380 page book questioning others?

Stonewalling and withdrawing because you’ve hit a chord over Shane Mitchell yet has no problem bullying the Jones family and others into disclosing personal and intimate details regardless of the psychological damage it may cause them?

Sandra Lean states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452173.html#msg452173
It does make it look like that, and that's the problem - since those contradictions were never followed up to confirm or refute, there is clearly a large amount of reasonable doubt in this case which, unfortunately, ends up turning the spotlight on Jodi's family. As I said in the book, there may be perfectly innocent explanations for all of them, but since the questions were never asked, we just don't know.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2019, 01:47:46 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #111 on: July 03, 2019, 02:12:35 PM »
Might be worthwhile reading about emotional abusers and controllers and their double standards.

Emotionally abusive individuals set their own rules in relationships.

While some are not aware of how their behaviour affects others, there are others who will be brazen about it, with no regard for the wellbeing of their intended target (Or targets)
« Last Edit: July 03, 2019, 02:26:39 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Bullseye

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #112 on: July 03, 2019, 02:13:49 PM »
Thanks for your input Nicholas. I watched both podcasts, i had to come find information from other sources, it does seem both podcasts are extremely bias. I don't think the interviewer had a clue what to ask or maybe he was not allowed to ask the mother on the terms of the interview.

I was a member of a Hearts fc forum a while back, a thread regarding this case was inundated with what seemed like a multi account user that actually resembles that first ladies podcasts views.

I tried to sign up to another forum, but for some reason i can't get activated, then i found this one, which seems more civil and grammar is not unreadable.

A question i have you might know, is who seen the 2 guys on the moped, and who seen the moped parked against the wall, for all the reading iv'e done on this, i cant seem to find an answer to this.

Also, how far was the body from the break in the wall, and how thick was the wood/growth? i'm just curious, as when Luke seen the body as soon as he jumped over with his light, i'm very sceptical he could do this, without known what was there already.

Hi Rusty, I think it was people who worked at a tool place nearby or something like that, they saw the bike parked at the V with nobody around at about 1715 when they were locking up.

If it’s the bamber ‘blue forum’ you are waiting on an account activation you don’t get a confirm email, I tried my log in details a few days later and it worked ok.


Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #113 on: July 03, 2019, 02:16:40 PM »
Hi Rusty, I think it was people who worked at a tool place nearby or something like that, they saw the bike parked at the V with nobody around at about 1715 when they were locking up.

If it’s the bamber ‘blue forum’ you are waiting on an account activation you don’t get a confirm email, I tried my log in details a few days later and it worked ok.

But was the bike actually, factually parked at the V point or were these witnesses influenced by external factors on this part of their statements?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #114 on: July 03, 2019, 02:25:52 PM »
Won’t answer questions about Shane Mitchell but has no problem publishing a 380 page book questioning others?

Stonewalling and withdrawing because you’ve hit a chord over Shane Mitchell yet has no problem bullying the Jones family and others into disclosing personal and intimate details regardless of the psychological damage it may cause them?

Sandra Lean states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg452173.html#msg452173
It does make it look like that, and that's the problem - since those contradictions were never followed up to confirm or refute, there is clearly a large amount of reasonable doubt in this case which, unfortunately, ends up turning the spotlight on Jodi's family. As I said in the book, there may be perfectly innocent explanations for all of them, but since the questions were never asked, we just don't know.


Abusers can be highly skilled at projecting an attractive image that convinces others they have solid personal values and wouldn’t be capable of abuse. An abuser’s thoughtful and caring behavior toward others gives their victims more reason to take the blame
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/blog/charm-harm/201501/spotting-and-describing-hidden-emotional-abuse
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Offline Bullseye

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #115 on: July 03, 2019, 02:29:20 PM »
But was the bike actually, factually parked at the V point or were these witnesses influenced by external factors on this part of their statements?

I remember asking about the witnesses that were meant to have seen the bike on the blue forum a while back, just found it,  Sandra had came back with the following


I can't name the person who saw the bike, but her other confirmed movements and evidence make it an extremely credible and reliable account. JF and GD admitted the bike was there without them at 5.15pm

Also

The 17:15 sighting of the bike at the V. Six independent witnesses saw the boys and the bike driving "erratically" through the yard of their workplace at closing time - i.e. 5pm. Two of them saw the boys pushing the bike up the Newbattle Road after it cut out and turning into the Newbattle entrance to the path, as did a passing motorist. That places the boys and the bike at the entrance to the path, with a bike that had cut out, at approximately 17.05. Walking normally to the V point from there would have taken 4 - 5 minutes, so it's reasonable to suggest they'd need more time because they were pushing the bike, but the timings strongly suggest they would have been at the V point, with the bike, at around 5.15pm. The best evidence of all is their own statements - the admitted that it was their bike, propped against the wall without them at that time (although they initially lied to the police to have themselves off the path an in GD's house prior to 4.30). The lie was exposed by the evidence of 7 other witnesses who saw them at 5pm on the bike, a call from GD's phone at 4.30 asking JF to pick him up in Dalkeith and GD's appointment at the Jobcentre - all of that proved they were not back in GD's house before 4.30pm nor, more importantly, before 5.15pm.
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #116 on: July 03, 2019, 02:45:13 PM »
I remember asking about the witnesses that were meant to have seen the bike on the blue forum a while back, just found it,  Sandra had came back with the following


I can't name the person who saw the bike, but her other confirmed movements and evidence make it an extremely credible and reliable account. JF and GD admitted the bike was there without them at 5.15pm

Also

The 17:15 sighting of the bike at the V. Six independent witnesses saw the boys and the bike driving "erratically" through the yard of their workplace at closing time - i.e. 5pm. Two of them saw the boys pushing the bike up the Newbattle Road after it cut out and turning into the Newbattle entrance to the path, as did a passing motorist. That places the boys and the bike at the entrance to the path, with a bike that had cut out, at approximately 17.05. Walking normally to the V point from there would have taken 4 - 5 minutes, so it's reasonable to suggest they'd need more time because they were pushing the bike, but the timings strongly suggest they would have been at the V point, with the bike, at around 5.15pm. The best evidence of all is their own statements - the admitted that it was their bike, propped against the wall without them at that time (although they initially lied to the police to have themselves off the path an in GD's house prior to 4.30). The lie was exposed by the evidence of 7 other witnesses who saw them at 5pm on the bike, a call from GD's phone at 4.30 asking JF to pick him up in Dalkeith and GD's appointment at the Jobcentre - all of that proved they were not back in GD's house before 4.30pm nor, more importantly, before 5.15pm.

Is she referring to the blond lady with a high pony tail pushing the pram?

The thing is all we have are Sandra Leans interpretation of the statements; they are her version of events.

IMO you should be mindful of how Sandra Lean chose to present Simon Halls guilt when it came to light.

Whether knowingly or unknowingly, she gave away many clues to her personality by choosing the stance she did at the time she did.

Luke Mitchell has had 16 years to tell his side of the story.

We know he writes letters because he unknowingly wrote to a journalist who subsequently reported on the contents of his letter/s.

There are also many clues to Luke Mitchell’s personality, none more so than how he has chosen Sandra Lean as his representative.

Does anyone’s remember Luke Mitchell referring to someone way back when as a fantasist? At 14/15 years of age he knows what a fantasist is. He knows his own mind.

For me, Sandra Lean presented as clueless as Simon Halls guilt was being exposed. Whether or not she knowingly or unknowingly chose to behave the way she did, only she knows.

But the fact is, to date, she has refused to publicly accept she was conned and this remains her sticking point.

As always, my opinions my observations.


“Monday, 30th June, 2003 marked the beginning of the last week of school at St David’s High, Dalkeith, before the summer holidays. For Jones, that summer would have meant spending long days with Mitchell, the boyfriend she had been seeing for three months. They would make trips to Edinburgh’s Cockburn Street, a popular hang-out for Goths, or smoke cannabis at local hideouts in Dalkeith.

Jones, a 14-year-old from a troubled family, whose father had committed suicide when she was nine, was in love. Mitchell was her first boyfriend and she had lost her virginity to him. Like so many other teenage girls, she wrote in her private diary that she thought she would "die" if he finished with her. When she was upset he would hug her and stroke her face. In a troubled adolescence Mitchell met her basic emotional needs of affection and trust.

But for Luke Mitchell life was much darker. Clues were emerging about just how dangerous he might be at a very young age. Born in July 1988, his parents Corinne and Philip split up when he was 11. He grew up under the care of his mother and she allowed him to do exactly as he pleased. He lived in a state of near squalor; keeping his own urine in bottles in his bedroom, rarely washing and wearing the same clothes for days on end.

Left largely to his own devices he became defiant, violent and brooding with an unhealthy fascination with knives, the occult and drugs. He was first brought to the attention of the mental health profession aged just 11, following a fight at King’s Park Primary in Dalkeith. Although the incident was just a minor skirmish with another pupil, Mitchell’s attitude was sufficiently troublesome to warrant a referral to a school psychiatrist. However, there appears to have been little further action taken by the education authorities or his parents to curb his behaviour.

When he was 12 he threatened his then girlfriend with a knife because she refused to have sex with him. The incidents went on. When he moved to St David’s High, a music teacher found him trying to throttle another pupil and he was sent to an educational psychologist. He refused the expert’s help. Instead Mitchell became a rebellious, mysterious teenager who was heavily into cannabis and supplied his Goth friends with the drug.

He also appeared to have an unhealthy interest in the occult. The jotters at his Catholic school were daubed with Satanic slogans, and he wrote a school essay containing references to the devil. Yet teachers appeared to have little control over him and he would simply defy their instructions when it suited him.

Even more worryingly, he also acquired a fascination with knives. His older brother, Shane, had a knife collection and Mitchell gathered his own array. At a party six weeks before killing Jones, he repeatedly jabbed her in the leg with a knife he had been using to cut up cannabis.

Although she was clearly devoted to Mitchell, Jones was not his only girlfriend. He had also been seeing at least two other girls and may even have been grooming them to see which would make the most suitable victim.

One of them was Kara van Nuil, now 17, who met him at army cadets in 2003. He wooed her with romantic text messages but their relationship ended abruptly after he followed her into the cadet hut one night, crept up on her, put his arm around her neck and placed a knife to her throat. Later he tried to laugh it off but van Nuil had been terrified. One month later he killed Jodi Jones.

Another of Mitchell’s girlfriends was 15-year-old Kimberley Thomson, from Kenmore, Perthshire who he had been seeing for about a year before the murder. They had met while he was on holiday and kept in touch. Her resemblance to Jones was uncanny.

Mitchell had arranged to go and stay with Thomson for a fortnight shortly after school broke up. At some point, he was going to have to break this news to Jones.

Dobbie said: "There is a potential Jodi found out about Luke’s planned holiday with Kimberley that Monday. I think he told her at lunchtime."

That conversation may have taken place at one of their favourite hideaways, an alcove off King’s Park, Dalkeith, known locally as the China Gardens. It was a place for teenagers to gather and smoke. They lit up a joint and sat alone until a friend joined them.

Dobbie added: "I am making an informed hypothesis about how Jodi may have known that day. That in itself would certainly have been a cause for her to want to see him that night."

Jones had been grounded in recent weeks by her mother as a punishment for smoking cannabis and skipping school. But that night she was allowed out to see her boyfriend.

"When she got home from school she called him on her mother’s phone and they arranged to meet," said Dobbie. "That’s how they ended up in the woods near Roan’s Dyke, a pathway that links the communities in which they lived. And if she had found out about Kimberley, she would have challenged him."

Using the evidence from the crime scene, Mitchell’s brutal attack on his girlfriend can be pieced together.

"A domestic situation develops and she suffers a blow to her face," Dobbie said. "Her lip is cut. We later found some blood on a tree trunk and the lip bleeds quite a lot when it is cut. I think at this point she turned around and headed eastwards, towards home, towards safety. But then she was struck on the head by something like the limb of a tree. Then she was strangled, her head was pulled up and her throat was cut. At that point she was dead.

"After a ‘normal’ murder, the person who committed the crime is then going to leg it or hide the body. But in this case the body is stripped and cut. Someone has wherewithal and calm. Someone is living out a fantasy at this stage. This is something someone has wanted to do.

"We are now trying to understand the mind of the killer. We know the difference between right and wrong. But this person is outwith that so it is very difficult to understand why. It would be wrong for us to go there but the trial has heard potential influences such as Marilyn Manson’s depiction of the Black Dahlia.

"Jodi’s breast was cut, her abdomen was cut, the gash on the face was identical, there was a hole in the forehead. It’s there and we can’t avoid this simulation. This was not about sex, it was about escalating violence and the opportunity to perform injuries. We are not talking about some poor wee soul that some guy has raped. This is most horrific
."
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/natural-born-killer-1-1401861
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #117 on: July 03, 2019, 03:35:41 PM »
9th December 2004
“IT WAS the eeriest "short country walk" any of them is ever likely to take ... strolling down a path under police guard to see for themselves the area where a teenage girl’s naked and mutilated body had been found.
Rarely, if ever, can jury service have made such a demand on citizens plucked from their everyday lives, but the eight women and seven men hearing the Jodi Jones case had it thrust upon them yesterday.

With Luke Mitchell, the youth accused of the murder, following in their footsteps, the jurors walked Roan’s Dyke path, a countryside short-cut between the residential areas of Easthouses and Newbattle in Dalkeith, Midlothian.

In court, they had already seen video footage and photographs of Jodi’s body as it lay in the undergrowth behind an imposing stone wall which separates the dirt path from woods. They had also been shown a V-shaped break in the wall, created by missing stones, through which access could be gained to the woods. On their "locus inspection" to familiarise themselves with the area, the jurors took the opportunity to climb through the V and have a look in the woods.

Mitchell, 16, denies murdering Jodi, 14, his girlfriend, on 30 June last year by striking her repeatedly on the head and body with a knife at Roan’s Dyke path. The path has featured prominently in evidence led so far at the trial in the High Court in Edinburgh - Jodi’s home in Easthouses was only a couple of minutes’ walk from the entrance at one end of the path, and Mitchell’s home was near the other end in Newbattle.

Jodi’s mother said that, on 30 June, the teenager left their house at about 4:50pm, saying she was going to meet Mitchell. Another witness told of seeing a male and a female at the Easthouses entrance to the path.

Last week, the trial judge, Lord Nimmo Smith, announced to the jury that, in an unusual move, they would be taken to the area "to enable you the better to understand the evidence which we have heard and are going to hear about the path and the wall and the general lie of the land".

He advised them to wear "whatever you think suitable for a relatively short country walk" and said it would be undertaken as long as the weather was not too bad.

Lord Nimmo Smith emphasised that the court would be in session during the walk and, as representatives of the public, the media would be allowed to attend and report on the event. However, the judge said it would be subject to the normal rules which severely limited television filming and photography. A police operation would ensure that no members of the public encroached on to the path and that the visit took place without intervention or distraction.

"You will have to bear in mind that the vegetation is not the same as it was at 30 June, 2003," Lord Nimmo Smith reminded the jurors.

"You might want to decide among yourselves which places you are particularly interested in looking at. I am going to stay at a distance and everybody else will, too. I do not expect to need to communicate with you during this, unless something completely unexpected arises. Feel free to talk among yourselves. Take all the time you feel you need to take."

Yesterday, the court convened as usual at 10am, but the time was the only thing normal about the day’s proceedings.

For a start, the judge and the prosecution and defence lawyers had discarded their wigs and gowns for "civvies". Then, within minutes, the jurors were boarding a coach, while the judge, lawyers and media shared a second coach.

In convoy, the buses were led through city-centre traffic and red lights by police motorcycle outriders. Puzzled pedestrians strained to get a look through the windows, thinking perhaps that someone famous was on board.

On reaching Easthouses, where the road had been sealed off, the coaches slowed as they passed Jodi Jones’s home in Parkhead Place. Police stood guard at the entrance to the Roan’s Dyke path, where sunflowers, now becoming the worse for wear, and a small Winnie the Pooh and a teddy bear were tied to a lamppost, tributes to the dead schoolgirl.

As the jurors headed off down the path, Mitchell arrived in a car, and he and a couple of escorting security officers joined his team of lawyers, led by the QC, Donald Findlay.

Lord Nimmo Smith picked up the trail behind the jurors, followed by the advocate-depute, Alan Turnbull, QC, his assistant, the defence team and then Mitchell, with reporters at the rear. All were closely observed by police officers, including a dog-handler.

In beautiful sunshine, jurors stopped at a point where the path divides, one way leading to Newtongrange on what is known as the Lady Path, and the other continuing to Newbattle. A large gap in the wall gives access to woods at that spot, and the jury had heard that the initials LM and JJ had been carved on a tree.

The Roan’s Dyke path is a narrow track, people having to walk single file some of the way, and has open fields on one side and the wall with the woods behind it on the other. That it is a popular short-cut can be seen from the amount of litter strewn about the undergrowth.

Jurors spent time at the V in the wall, about halfway down the path, and the procession emerged at Newbattle Road, some 30 minutes after setting out at Easthouses.

Again, a sunflower tribute to Jodi could be seen tied to a tree. Here, however, a small toy rabbit had fallen to the ground and it lay in the mud, dirty and abandoned.

The coach trip back to Edinburgh passed near to Mitchell’s home in Newbattle Abbey Crescent.

Evidence in the trial is to resume today at a specially-built courtroom in Parliament House, Edinburgh, where a replica of a stretch of the wall at Roan’s Dyke has been erected.
https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/solemn-journey-for-jodi-trial-jury-1-565082

Wasn’t Luke Mitchell’s excuse for showing not the slightest emotion during the visit to the crime scene because the judge had warned him/the court?

14/15/16 years old and he has full control of his emotions?!

Do give over!
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #118 on: July 03, 2019, 04:46:31 PM »
I remember asking about the witnesses that were meant to have seen the bike on the blue forum a while back, just found it,  Sandra had came back with the following


I can't name the person who saw the bike, but her other confirmed movements and evidence make it an extremely credible and reliable account. JF and GD admitted the bike was there without them at 5.15pm

Also

The 17:15 sighting of the bike at the V. Six independent witnesses saw the boys and the bike driving "erratically" through the yard of their workplace at closing time - i.e. 5pm. Two of them saw the boys pushing the bike up the Newbattle Road after it cut out and turning into the Newbattle entrance to the path, as did a passing motorist. That places the boys and the bike at the entrance to the path, with a bike that had cut out, at approximately 17.05. Walking normally to the V point from there would have taken 4 - 5 minutes, so it's reasonable to suggest they'd need more time because they were pushing the bike, but the timings strongly suggest they would have been at the V point, with the bike, at around 5.15pm. The best evidence of all is their own statements - the admitted that it was their bike, propped against the wall without them at that time (although they initially lied to the police to have themselves off the path an in GD's house prior to 4.30). The lie was exposed by the evidence of 7 other witnesses who saw them at 5pm on the bike, a call from GD's phone at 4.30 asking JF to pick him up in Dalkeith and GD's appointment at the Jobcentre - all of that proved they were not back in GD's house before 4.30pm nor, more importantly, before 5.15pm.

During her sons trial Corrine Mitchell’s said

 “Luke asked her if he should cook broccoli to accompany their meal, but then heated some beans instead

16 years later Sandra Lean is claiming “dinner was ready  *&^^&

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=10768.msg541439#msg541439

”Probably the only person in Scotland who has seen absolutely everything there is to see connected to the case, so far  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vE5rMioQIlU yet she’s contradicting what Luke Mitchell’s mother and alibi said during his murder trial?

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Offline Bullseye

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #119 on: July 03, 2019, 05:32:57 PM »
When it comes to info Sandra provides, we have to remember she is one of the few folk that had access to the records and so much more. She does not need to answer anyone’s questions or provide any information and I’m just glad she does even after all the stuff that gets posted about her. I have found she always says if the info is accurate or if she can’t remember. It’s usually times and places I’m interested which she has always kindly provided answers to where she can. She may put her interpretation in the information she provides but is that not why we are all here, to share each other’s interpretation of all the info that’s out there, I think we are all guilty of that. I may not always agree with her views etc but that applies to a lot of folk on these forums for me. I do not believe she would deliberately lie, as then that defeats the whole purpose of the justice she seeks plus why would she? I’m still on the fence on the whole thing there are points from both sides I agree and disagree with.