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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #270 on: September 23, 2019, 07:29:49 PM »
Yes this is taken from a news report not a transcript but they are representing the actual words used in court and the question put to Ferris wasn't just "a break in the wall" but specifically mentions "behind which Jodi's body was discovered".

It seems like clutching at straws to say that he just meant the same wall but not the same break in the wall where Jodi was found. I am yet to see him be able to give any explanation as to why the bike was stopped there (or any other break in the wall!)

How long was the wall?

Was Jodi’s body immediately behind the V break in the wall?

Remember - the jury were taken to the SOC

What was Luke Mitchell’s “special defence?”
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #271 on: September 23, 2019, 07:31:43 PM »
Wikipedia claims the following:

Mitchell pleaded not guilty and lodged a special defence of alibi: that he was at home cooking dinner at the time of the murder https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jodi_Jones
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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #272 on: September 23, 2019, 10:07:50 PM »
Wikipedia claims the following:

Mitchell pleaded not guilty and lodged a special defence of alibi: that he was at home cooking dinner at the time of the murder

“Incrimination” was also part of his special defence
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #273 on: September 23, 2019, 10:11:38 PM »
Yes this is taken from a news report not a transcript but they are representing the actual words used in court and the question put to Ferris wasn't just "a break in the wall" but specifically mentions "behind which Jodi's body was discovered".

It seems like clutching at straws to say that he just meant the same wall but not the same break in the wall where Jodi was found. I am yet to see him be able to give any explanation as to why the bike was stopped there (or any other break in the wall!)

Who are you claiming “It seems like clutching at straws to say that he just meant the same wall but not the same break in the wall where Jodi was found” the defence?

The jury didn’t buy it. They believed Luke Mitchell was the murderer.



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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #274 on: September 24, 2019, 10:45:55 AM »
RELATIVES of murdered schoolgirl Jodi Jones were discussing boyfriend Luke Mitchell just days after her death, a trial has heard.
Trainee bricklayer Gordon Dickie, 17, told murder hunt detectives about conversations with his cousin, John Ferris, before coming forward to volunteer information.

But as he gave evidence at the trial of Mitchell, 16, yesterday, Mr Dickie was accused of telling lies about his whereabouts at the time Jodi is thought to have met her death.

Donald Findlay QC, defending, challenged him: "Did you have anything to do with the death of Jodi Jones?" Mr Dickie replied: "No".

Earlier, the trial heard a similar question put to Mr Dickie’s cousin, drug dealer Mr Ferris - who supplied Mitchell and others with cannabis.

Mr Ferris, who made a similar denial, had been with Mr Dickie during the late afternoon of June 30 last year, the court heard.

Together they pushed and rode an old moped along a woodland path in Dalkeith, Midlothian, passing close to the spot where 14-year-old Jodi’s body was found hours later.

In the days which followed, both men made statements to the police in which they gave the wrong time for their moped ride.

On July 7 last year, just over a week after Jodi’s death, Mr Dickie told them: "John and I have been talking about everything and realised we had came up (sic) the Roan’s Dyke path about the time Jodi possibly went missing.

"We kept thinking about everything and talking about Luke."


The murder charge alleges that on June 30 last year - when he was 14 - Mitchell attacked Jodi of Parkhead Place, Easthouses, Dalkeith, in woods near Roan’s Dyke, hitting her and constricting her neck. The charge further alleges that Mitchell struck Jodi with a knife, before and after she died, inflicting wounds to her face, breast and abdomen.

He says that at the time he was in or near his home at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, and that Jodi was murdered by person or persons unknown. The trial continues.

https://www.scotsman.com/news-2-15012/relatives-discussed-luke-days-after-death-1-1047707



“JODI JONES'S second cousin was yesterday asked if he had murdered the schoolgirl.

John Ferris was quizzed at the trial of her boyfriend Luke Mitchell.

Ferris,18,and a cousin Gordon Dickie had ridden a moped near the spot in Dalkeith, Midlothian, where Jodi's body was found last June.

But Donald Findlay QC, defending Mitchell, said he had 'chopped and changed' the time in his story of the journey.

He had also hacked off his curly hair following media reports describing a mystery man seen following Jodi.

The lawyer also quizzed Ferris on why he waited until five days after the killing before speaking to police.

And he said, on the evening of the killing, Ferris failed to keep an arrangement to meet Jodi's brother Joseph at the house from which she walked to her death.

Mr Findlay challenged Ferris: 'Did you murder Jodi?'He replied:'No.'

Findlay: 'Did Mr Dickie murder Jodi?' Ferris:'No.'

Findlay: 'Did the two of you murder Jodi?' Ferris:'No.'

Ferris told detectives hunting Jodi's killer that he and his cousin headed up the Roan's Dyke path at about 4.30pm.

But other witnesses told police they heard the noisy moped, which did not have a proper silencer, close to one end of the path after 5pm.

Mr Findlay said Ferris and Dickie gave accounts which wrongly put them at Dickie's house 15 minutes before Jodi, 14, is thought to have been killed

But Ferris denied discussing with Dickie what they would say to the police before they gave statements.

Ferris admitted in court that he had only gone to police five days after Jodi died after a TV news report about attempts to trace two youths on a motorbike left him 'shaking'.

Mr Findlay showed the court a selection of newspaper reports describing a potential suspect with curly hair.

He asked Ferris: 'Why were you so keen to get rid of your curly hair that you cut it yourself, making such a mess of it you had to get it sorted professionally?'

Ferris replied: 'I don't know.'

He also denied his personality had changed in the wake of Jodi's death.

And he told Mr Findlay he had failed to keep his arrangement with Jodi's brother because he was having a drink with his cousin instead.

Ferris, who now lives in Ayrshire, told the court he was no longer welcomed by members of Jodi's family.

Mr Findlay pointed to 16-year-old Mitchell in the dock, claiming he had been 'hounded by the Press' and 'locked up since April'.

He asked Ferris: 'Isn't there something now that you just might like to tell us? This might be your last opportunity to do the decent thing.'

He again asked Ferris if he had murdered Jodi. When the witness denied it, Findlay asked: 'Is that your final word?' Ferris replied softly: 'My final word.'


Earlier, Ferris, whose half-sister is Jodi's cousin, admitted supplying cannabis to Mitchell.

Advocate-depute Alan Turnbull QC, prosecuting, asked Ferris whether he had ever seen Mitchell with a knife.

Ferris said he had seen him with 'different knives' on 'many occasions'.

He was shown a knife and pictures of knives, including two silver ones and a lock knife with a brown handle.

Ferris identified the ones in photographs as being similar to ones he had seen in Mitchell's possession.

Mitchell denies murdering 14--year-old Jodi at an area near Roan's Dyke path in Dalkeith by striking her with a knife or similar instrument.

He has lodged defences of alibi and incrimination to the murder allegation.

Mitchell also denies carrying a knife or knives and supplying cannabis.

The trial, at the High Court in Edinburgh, continues

https://www.thefreelibrary.com/DID+YOU+MURDER+JODI%3F+QC%27s+challenge+to+her+cousin+at+High+Court.-a0125208334
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Offline Baz

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #275 on: September 24, 2019, 11:00:48 AM »
Who are you claiming “It seems like clutching at straws to say that he just meant the same wall but not the same break in the wall where Jodi was found” the defence?

The jury didn’t buy it. They believed Luke Mitchell was the murderer.

Obviously I'm not talking about the defence as they are the ones asking the question. I'm referring to you as clutching at straws by your assertion that he could have been admitting to be at any break in the wall. When he was asked the question about the break in the wall it even included "behind which Jodi's body was discovered".... but sure, maybe he was talking about a different break!!!

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #276 on: September 24, 2019, 11:21:23 AM »
“Incrimination” was also part of his special defence

Wikipedia omits the special defence of incrimination, as do several other online articles and sources.

Trial
At his trial at the High Court of Justiciary in Edinburgh, Mitchell pleaded not guilty and lodged a special defence of alibi: that he was at home cooking dinner at the time of the murder.[6] He did not testify at his trial, which was the longest and most expensive of a single accused in Scottish legal history.[7]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jodi_Jones


incrimination (alleging someone else committed the crime)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_defence

Sandra Lean claims here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg455808.html#msg455808
“Nobody's saying they killed Jodi (well, except Donald Findlay, maybe)”


There’s no maybe about it. Luke Mitchell’s special defence was alibi and incrimination.

Both Ferris and Dickie were asked in court by Donald Findlay - on behalf of Luke Mitchell - if they had murdered Jodi Jones. Both replied “No.”

Parky states here:http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg455858.html#msg455858
Also that SL believes they are not complicit in the murder, itself.
Corrine and her theories, she claims, herself and Sandra have one.
Of this pair having a third person - cutting and changing hair to look like each other.
disposal of said bike in a scrapyard with all the evidence.

Messy.


Corrine Mitchell goes into some detail of her and Sandra Leans theory during the James English interview about Gordon Dickie and John Ferris and the moped

At approx 42.12 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4

Corrine Mitchell claims: “Its a small community and they wanted and needed a QUICK conviction. So what easier go after the boyfriend. They thought.. got a wee laddie.. and he was..he was a wee smite he was tiny at 14 . You know, how easy is this gonna be. Get him to confess. No problem. But they didn’t bank on Luke being Luke. And what annoyed them was he was more intelligent than what they were.”

 “We’ve. Sandra and I have got a theory on that one We KNOW there was a scrapyard involved somewhere along the line.”

She goes on

How easy is it to take a motorbike, knife, bloody clothes....Chuck them in the back of a van. Crush it.Gone forever”

But according to Sandra Lean “Nobody's saying they killed Jodi”
« Last Edit: September 24, 2019, 12:36:35 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #277 on: September 24, 2019, 11:36:39 AM »
Obviously I'm not talking about the defence as they are the ones asking the question. I'm referring to you as clutching at straws by your assertion that he could have been admitting to be at any break in the wall. When he was asked the question about the break in the wall it even included "behind which Jodi's body was discovered".... but sure, maybe he was talking about a different break!!!

But Jodi’s body was not discovered immediately behind the V break in the wall was it.

The V break in the wall was used by Luke Mitchell, and some members of the search party, to climb over said wall. It was the easiest access point by all accounts.

Gordon Dickie stated: “John and I have been talking about everything and realised we had came up (sic) the Roan’s Dyke path about the time Jodi possibly went missing.
"We kept thinking about everything and talking about Luke."


“Ferris admitted in court that he had only gone to police five days after Jodi died after a TV news report about attempts to trace two youths on a motorbike left him 'shaking'.

Not one single report ever of Luke Mitchell shaking. No signs of emotion at all. Not one single indication of stress.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2019, 11:50:53 AM by Nicholas »
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Offline Baz

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #278 on: September 24, 2019, 12:49:32 PM »
But Jodi’s body was not discovered immediately behind the V break in the wall was it.

Still clutching.

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #279 on: September 25, 2019, 12:02:40 PM »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #280 on: September 25, 2019, 04:25:22 PM »
Corrine Mitchell goes into some detail of her and Sandra Leans theory during the James English interview about Gordon Dickie and John Ferris and the moped

At approx 42.12 here https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6ysPeri0O4

Corrine Mitchell claims: “Its a small community and they wanted and needed a QUICK conviction. So what easier go after the boyfriend. They thought.. got a wee laddie.. and he was..he was a wee smite he was tiny at 14 . You know, how easy is this gonna be. Get him to confess. No problem. But they didn’t bank on Luke being Luke. And what annoyed them was he was more intelligent than what they were.”

 “We’ve. Sandra and I have got a theory on that one We KNOW there was a scrapyard involved somewhere along the line.”

She goes on

How easy is it to take a motorbike, knife, bloody clothes....Chuck them in the back of a van. Crush it.Gone forever”

But according to Sandra Lean “Nobody's saying they killed Jodi”

Sandra Lean claims here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg448260.html#msg448260
Although I've made this point many times in the past, I'll make it again, just for clarity. When I discuss people connected with this case, I'm not making any suggestion that they're guilty (or possibly guilty) of anything - I'm pointing out failings in the police investigation.
« Last Edit: September 25, 2019, 04:33:05 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #281 on: September 25, 2019, 04:41:00 PM »
Lilly15 Reply #4177 on: November 07, 2018, 09:10:AM »
“Do you think the huge difference in treatment right from the start was intentional? Everyone else involved or known to Jodi seems to have been able to give various explanations for their actions and whereabouts even changing the info yet the same didnt apply to Luke.
 
Sandra Lean « Reply #4178 on: November 07, 2018, 06:09:PM »
“Without shadow of a doubt lilly15. What people don't realise is that the police were acting on wrong information from the off - for example, they believed Luke was coming up the path on his bike and that Jodi left her home with him at teatime.
Identical circumstances in both families were treated so differently - details about what people ate were treated as instantly suspicious in the Mitchell household, but not elsewhere, even when those details contradicted each other. 14 year old, heavily medicated Luke sleeping on one settee in the livingroom with his mother sleeping on a settee at the other side of the room was indicative of an "unnatural" relationship, but 19 year old Joseph sleeping in his mother's bedroom, wrapped in Jodi's duvet, at the foot of his mother's bed was accepted as perfectly natural.

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg448514.html#msg448514

A high-profile trial heard bottles of urine were found in Mitchell's bedroom when it was searched in July 2003 and taken away by the police.
John Beckett QC, representing the Crown, told Lords Hamilton, Osborne and Kingarth: "His explanation was that because he slept on top of a bunk bed it was more convenient to do that than to do anything else.
"It was to show that explanation was untrue. The new ones (bottles) came at a time when his position was that he was sleeping in the living room next to his mother, or something like that."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7247137.stm

What people don't realise is that the police were acting on wrong information from the off” People lie so it’s a given police would have been acting on wrong information from the off - part and parcel of the job.

Luke Mitchell’s house was searched days after the murder and bottles of his urine were found in his bedroom. More bottles of his urine were found when his house was searched the next time.

Luke Mitchell told police the reason for them finding the bottles of his urine was because he slept on top of a bunk bed it was more convenient to do that than to do anything else.

Sandra Lean “even when those details contradicted each other

What is Sandra Leans reasoning about WHY Luke Mitchell lied to police about the urine bottles when she claims “14 year old, heavily medicated Luke sleeping on one settee in the livingroom with his mother sleeping on a settee at the other side of the room

And how does Sandra Lean come to the conclusion the police believed Luke was coming up the path on his bike?

What did Luke Mitchell tell police when he spoke to them on the night of the murder? What does his first statement say?

Did Luke Mitchell also tell police he was coming up the path on his bike?

and that Jodi left her home with him at teatime” Where did this come from?
« Last Edit: September 25, 2019, 05:11:17 PM by Nicholas »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #282 on: September 25, 2019, 05:25:45 PM »
Sandra Lean states here: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,551.msg448344.html#msg448344
Not quite! Both had alibis, each of them (obviously) dependent on the word of other people. Luke had an alibi from the first day of the investigation - his mother. His brother told police on day 5 of the investigation that Luke made the tea that evening - in his first statement on day 3, he couldn't remember much about the Monday evening.

Luke Mitchell’s first statement was made on 1st July

What dates were Corrine and Shane Mitchell’s made?

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Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #283 on: September 28, 2019, 08:42:02 AM »
Here’s a question:

Where’s the blue forum thread where everyone was debating this case?

Offline Nicholas

Re: Luke Mitchell Theories
« Reply #284 on: September 28, 2019, 10:35:38 AM »
Here’s a question:

Where’s the blue forum thread where everyone was debating this case?

It’s been given its own board, with new threads, here http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/board,18.0.html
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