Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?

[Mr Gray]

I think there is a rule against making fun of someone's name.  Tempting as it is.  It must at least be an ad hominem logical fallacy argument.

its  a bit of humour rob... I quite like cheeky monkey ...seems  every post I make breaks some rule ..and if it doesnt you make arule up....has cheeky monkey complained..

[Robittybob1]

Wasn't it Rachael who had that task?  I've seen it before, and we've discussed it before.

Does this mean even though they had a block booking in principle they still had to ring in every morning because of the rules?
From http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

"Reply 'And then the evening yes, so on that, cos the Sunday night had worked well with us sort of eating dinner as adults and you know just going back to check on the children, erm that, but at the Tapas, they said they, you could only book in the morning, you couldn't kind of block book or anything like that, you had to kind of call them at you know, eight or nine o'clock and say that you wanted a table for that night, erm and because we were a big group of nine, erm I begged and pleaded with them to let us book for the whole week, a table at eight thirty every night, erm'.

00.36.51 1578 'When did you do that''
 Reply 'Because otherwise'.

1578 'No sorry, when''
 Reply 'Oh when, that was on the Monday morning, erm because you know otherwise we, it would have just been really difficult to, well have a, have dinner in peace and erm, er you know we couldn't really have gone anywhere else cos oh yeah, we'd have had, I'd have to take the children or put them, there was a like a creche you could put them in, in the evening when you went to dinner but you know we were all kind of, you know the kids generally go to bed at seven thirty and they're tired out, they need to sleep but if they went somewhere else, they wouldn't have slept and erm, and you would have been up late, so we didn't want to do that and you know the Tapas was there and you know the apartment, you know we could see the apartments just there, you know it was only sort of you know, birds eye view was only sort of you know, thirty metres or something like that, so erm and you know, and we kept going and checking, so that seemed like kind of a good option'. "


She says she "begged and pleaded with them to let us book for the whole week, a table at eight thirty every night" but did anyone actually agree to that when it was against the rules?

[Mr Gray]

Does this mean even though they had a block booking in principle they still had to ring in every morning because of the rules?
From http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

"Reply 'And then the evening yes, so on that, cos the Sunday night had worked well with us sort of eating dinner as adults and you know just going back to check on the children, erm that, but at the Tapas, they said they, you could only book in the morning, you couldn't kind of block book or anything like that, you had to kind of call them at you know, eight or nine o'clock and say that you wanted a table for that night, erm and because we were a big group of nine, erm I begged and pleaded with them to let us book for the whole week, a table at eight thirty every night, erm'.

00.36.51 1578 'When did you do that''
 Reply 'Because otherwise'.

1578 'No sorry, when''
 Reply 'Oh when, that was on the Monday morning, erm because you know otherwise we, it would have just been really difficult to, well have a, have dinner in peace and erm, er you know we couldn't really have gone anywhere else cos oh yeah, we'd have had, I'd have to take the children or put them, there was a like a creche you could put them in, in the evening when you went to dinner but you know we were all kind of, you know the kids generally go to bed at seven thirty and they're tired out, they need to sleep but if they went somewhere else, they wouldn't have slept and erm, and you would have been up late, so we didn't want to do that and you know the Tapas was there and you know the apartment, you know we could see the apartments just there, you know it was only sort of you know, birds eye view was only sort of you know, thirty metres or something like that, so erm and you know, and we kept going and checking, so that seemed like kind of a good option'. "


She says she "begged and pleaded with them to let us book for the whole week, a table at eight thirty every night" but did anyone actually agree to that when it was against the rules?

 Is block booking an offence under the portuguese criminal code..lol

[Robittybob1]

Is block booking an offence under the portuguese criminal code..lol

No but you ought to abide by the rules set by the host.

[Robittybob1]

NoI didn't know that he was a vet.
I assume that he has made that information public on the forum?

When I resigned from my profession, I was asked what do I want to do, and I said "I want to solve the McCann case".  It has been 3 years now.  3 years without an income.  That set me back a bit but I still think it is possible.  It is a matter of discovering how it can be done.

It wasn't that I wanted to be a moderator but this is a learning process as well.  So lately it is is less study and more moderating the best forum by far that is discussing the case.

[Mr Gray]

When I resigned from my profession, I was asked what do I want to do, and I said "I want to solve the McCann case".  It has been 3 years now.  3 years without an income.  That set me back a bit but I still think it is possible.  It is a matter of discovering how it can be done.

It wasn't that I wanted to be a moderator but this is a learning process as well.  So lately it is is less study and more moderating the best forum by far that is discussing the case.

I rest my case..best of luck Rob

[Erngath]

When I resigned from my profession, I was asked what do I want to do, and I said "I want to solve the McCann case".  It has been 3 years now.  3 years without an income.  That set me back a bit but I still think it is possible.  It is a matter of discovering how it can be done.

It wasn't that I wanted to be a moderator but this is a learning process as well.  So lately it is is less study and more moderating the best forum by far that is discussing the case.

I do believe that you cannot solve Madeleine's disappearance.

[Lace]

Whatever way you try to swing it, whoever sat in front of a TV camera and said what they said, are the stirrers.

Swing it?

Gerry said they didn't know if they would get into the Tapas,  TRUE,  they would have gone to the Millenium if they couldn't get into the Tapas  TRUE. 

Explain how Gerry is lying.

[faithlilly]

Swing it?

Gerry said they didn't know if they would get into the Tapas,  TRUE,  they would have gone to the Millenium if they couldn't get into the Tapas  TRUE. 

Explain how Gerry is lying.

But they did know that they could get into the tapas....there was a block booking made on Sunday by one of the tapas group.

[Holly Goodhead]

When I resigned from my profession, I was asked what do I want to do, and I said "I want to solve the McCann case".  It has been 3 years now.  3 years without an income.  That set me back a bit but I still think it is possible.  It is a matter of discovering how it can be done.

It wasn't that I wanted to be a moderator but this is a learning process as well.  So lately it is is less study and more moderating the best forum by far that is discussing the case.

Imo there's much to be gained by a bunch of folk from all walks of life discussing these cases online.  Some might have expertise relevant to the case, most don't.  It doesn't matter everyone has something to offer by way of life experiences and lets not forget in the UK 12 ordinary members of the public decide who's guilty and who isn't at criminal trials albeit overseen by a judge. We have the advantage of looking at this case holistically without any commercial restraints.  Experts will generally only consider what's relevant to their area of expertise which in the main is inconclusive without considering all the other strands. 

Through posting about the Bamber case on the Injustice Anywhere forum I got to meet, online, with Charlie Wilkes (pseudonym) who played a pivitol role in the case of Amanda Knox. Charlie made the point of how much mileage there is in these cases being discussed online.   

[Holly Goodhead]

No but you ought to abide by the rules set by the host.

Maybe they were able to offer some flexi given it was low season. 

KM details it in her book pages 70, 75, 399 and 40.

KM states the note in the reservation book stated the children were being left alone and they were carrying out checks hence their reason for wanting to eat at the Tapas.  I thought the entry I saw just made mention of the booking?  KM also claimed this book was available not only to staff but could potentially be seen by guests too?!

[faithlilly]

Imo there's much to be gained by a bunch of folk from all walks of life discussing these cases online.  Some might have expertise relevant to the case, most don't.  It doesn't matter everyone has something to offer by way of life experiences and lets not forget in the UK 12 ordinary members of the public decide who's guilty and who isn't at criminal trials albeit overseen by a judge. We have the advantage of looking at this case holistically without any commercial restraints.  Experts will generally only consider what's relevant to their area of expertise which in the main is inconclusive without considering all the other strands. 

Through posting about the Bamber case on the Injustice Anywhere forum I got to meet, online, with Charlie Wilkes (pseudonym) who played a pivitol role in the case of Amanda Knox. Charlie made the point of how much mileage there is in these cases being discussed online.   

You’ve made a good point Holly. If a case was brought against the parents in this country they would be tried by a jury of their peers.....people just like you and I. I wonder how they’d fair ?

[Holly Goodhead]

I do wish KM would stop insisting eating at the Tapas was akin to eating in someone's garden.  It isn't.  Most gardens have defined borders by definition are inaccessible to the public which is not the case with apartment 5a.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You’ve made a good point Holly. If a case was brought against the parents in this country they would be tried by a jury of their peers.....people just like you and I. I wonder how they’d fair ?

Hopefully that would very much depend on the evidence presented, not on any pre-conceived prejudices held by jury members.

[Holly Goodhead]

You’ve made a good point Holly. If a case was brought against the parents in this country they would be tried by a jury of their peers.....people just like you and I. I wonder how they’d fair ?

I know very little about this case but at this moment in time I don't see the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) could gather any evidence to bring about a criminal trial against the McCanns in connection with MM's disappearance, other than possibly neglect over leaving children that age unsupervised, but I'm happy to be corrected.