Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?

[faithlilly]

The facts;

The PJ found no evidence of access to a car, but that doesn't rule out the possibility.
There were places where a body could have been disposed of without transport being needed.
There's no definite time for the Smith sighting the or raising of the alarm that MM was missing.

And no definitive time when the chat between Gerry and Jez happened.

[Holly Goodhead]

The facts;

1. The PJ found no evidence of access to a car, but that doesn't rule out the possibility.
2. There were places where a body could have been disposed of without transport being needed.
3. There's no definite time for the Smith sighting the or raising of the alarm that MM was missing.

1. What's possible and what's plausible?
2. Such as?
3. I think the various times provided by T9 , various independent witnesses and the Smith family rule out GM's involvement in the Smith sighting.

[Robittybob1]

When your puddiecat eventually goes, you might find you miss even those annoying little habits. ;)

Yes - we've lost quite a few cats over the years.

[Robittybob1]

If nothing else this forum has enriched Rob’s vocabulary, which must be a good thing surely?

Absolutely.  I find I'm writing sentences with vocabulary that I've never imagined using 2 years ago.  I think even though we discuss the same things over and over the whole discussion is an education.

[pathfinder73]

So lets assume you're right and the McCanns are directly responsible for MM's disappearance when do you consider was the last reliable sighting of MM alive and well?

Afaik the McCanns and T7 did not have access to a vehicle before 10pm 3rd May?   For those that believe PJ were less than thorough, given the high profile nature of the case, its almost certain that many with a ghoulish interest in the case would take it upon themselves to descend upon PDL and scour the entire resort wanting to claim 'I found Maddie'! 

I've watched a couple of docs which highlighted the bins that were taken to landfill and may not have been searched thoroughly.  Another doc highlighted a lot of deep wells and I doubt these have been searched properly.  I can't see how a body could be disposed of in the ocean unless a boat was used?

The Smith sighting of a man resembling GM was circa 10pm?  If this is correct GM was observed elsewhere by numerous others?

The timeline is key. The alarm was raised before the Smith sighting.

[Eleanor]

Absolutely.  I find I'm writing sentences with vocabulary that I've never imagined using 2 years ago.  I think even though we discuss the same things over and over the whole discussion is an education.

You are so right, Rob.  My vocabulary was rubbish before I started on McCann Forums.  Lack of formal education, basically.

I still miss a few, but with a bit of luck that will be sorted before the end.

[G-Unit]

1. What's possible and what's plausible?
2. Such as?
3. I think the various times provided by T9 , various independent witnesses and the Smith family rule out GM's involvement in the Smith sighting.

1. There were connections in Portugal. Probably totally innocent, but who knows?

1.a) The PJ were interested in the couple from Exeter who were friends of the O'Brien/Tanner couple; they had hire car which was screened by Eddie and Keela.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/James_Gorrod.htm

1. b) When Gerry's sister arrived in Portugal on 5th May 'a friend' lent them a car.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PATRICIA_CAMERON.htm

1. c) DP was able to get new mobile phones delivered ti the police station on 4th May.

2) Bins and wells, as you said.

3) IMO there's evidence which rules out GM being the man seen by the Smiths, but there's also evidence which casrs doubt on that evidence.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/ARLINDO-PELEGA.htm

[Carana]

Re the Smith sighting as at 31 March 2018:

The MPS will not comment on whether identifications have or have not been made however the efits do
not form part of any current appeal.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/madeleine_mccann_case_operation

[Brietta]

Re the Smith sighting as at 31 March 2018:

The MPS will not comment on whether identifications have or have not been made however the efits do
not form part of any current appeal.

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/madeleine_mccann_case_operation

In other words ... the investigation doesn't require any more information about the efits ... for any one of the following reasons ...

• they have been eliminated from the inquiry
• not yet eliminated but their identity known and they remain of interest
• not yet eliminated but their identity known and they are suspects who are being investigated

Anything else?

[Vertigo Swirl]

The timeline is key. The alarm was raised before the Smith sighting.

Prove it.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The facts;

The PJ found no evidence of access to a car, but that doesn't rule out the possibility.
There were places where a body could have been disposed of without transport being needed.
There's no definite time for the Smith sighting the or raising of the alarm that MM was missing.

What would rule out the possibility that the McCanns had access to a car prior to the alarm?

[Robittybob1]

What would rule out the possibility that the McCanns had access to a car prior to the alarm?

No evidence to the contrary.

[Vertigo Swirl]

No evidence to the contrary.

Then it’s been ruled out.

[G-Unit]

And no definitive time when the chat between Gerry and Jez happened.

No confirmation that they started dinner later than usual.....

[pathfinder73]

Prove it.

The witness statements will prove it.  Matt was accused of being involved on 10 May 2007 by the PJ and he started providing interesting info especially as he wore a watch that night. He said Kate left at 21:50 to check and nobody apart from Gerry said she was gone long. 21:50 corroborates with the waiter that served Russell his steak moments before Kate left the table. That puts the alarm before 22:00 and the Smith sighting.