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Offline jassi

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #495 on: June 24, 2019, 12:06:34 PM »
Russell managed to eat most of his dinner before the alarm.

They then all went back to 5a,  the friends all say they all headed back to 5a.  So how much time would have gone by,  by the time they had all gone back to 5a to search?   Gerry tried the blind,   Dianne said she tried too so she must have known that Gerry had lifted it up,  so how much time had gone by then?


A waiter saw Gerry searching around the pool area,  when he left the restaurant there was already about 40 people gathered outside to search for Madeleine.


So did Gerry leave the apartment with Madeleine when the people were gathering?

I imagine it would have taken some time after raising the alarm before 40 or so people could be searching
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #496 on: June 24, 2019, 12:10:57 PM »

There is nothing to suggest that Diane Webster knew that Gerry had already tampered with the blind.
Who tampered with the blind first?
In what position was the blind left?

Did they know Kate said the shutter or blind was fully up when she went to check the kids?
Well if either Gerry or Dianne arrive and find the blind fully up they know they were first to tamper with the blind for the first thing they would have had to do was to lower it from the inside.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #497 on: June 24, 2019, 12:34:03 PM »
Who tampered with the blind first?
In what position was the blind left?

Did they know Kate said the shutter or blind was fully up when she went to check the kids?
Well if either Gerry or Dianne arrive and find the blind fully up they know they were first to tamper with the blind for the first thing they would have had to do was to lower it from the inside.

Gerry went out to see if it could be raised from the outside..
Seems like he managed to do it without leaving any prints... As did Diane

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #498 on: June 24, 2019, 01:33:54 PM »
Gerry went out to see if it could be raised from the outside..
Seems like he managed to do it without leaving any prints... As did Diane

From memory, there were marks found on the shutter but they were too smudged to be identifiable.
What's up, old man?

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #499 on: June 24, 2019, 01:53:00 PM »
Russell managed to eat most of his dinner before the alarm.

They then all went back to 5a,  the friends all say they all headed back to 5a.  So how much time would have gone by,  by the time they had all gone back to 5a to search?   Gerry tried the blind,   Dianne said she tried too so she must have known that Gerry had lifted it up,  so how much time had gone by then?


A waiter saw Gerry searching around the pool area,  when he left the restaurant there was already about 40 people gathered outside to search for Madeleine.


So did Gerry leave the apartment with Madeleine when the people were gathering?

Ate most of his dinner? No wonder people can't solve the case. They don't have a clue about the timeline.

by the time Russell had got back to the table err he’d err they’d err they’d cooked another steak for him, it didn’t take very long and he literally I suppose just had about two bites of it when err Kate came running
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DIANE-WEBSTER-2.htm

Gerry wasn't in the pool area. David and Matt were the two men searching there.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #500 on: June 24, 2019, 03:28:14 PM »
From memory, there were marks found on the shutter but they were too smudged to be identifiable.

Unidentified marks possibly belonging to an abductor.... Doesn't  say much for Professor Barclays conclusions

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #501 on: June 24, 2019, 03:37:57 PM »
Unidentified marks possibly belonging to an abductor.... Doesn't  say much for Professor Barclays conclusions

Have you shifted your stance from no fingerprints to dissing Professor Barclay?  Barclay had no access to the PJ Files.  He was going by what was in the public domain at the time.  And that was Irene Trovão dusting the shutter for fingerprints, as shown in the C4 video.
What's up, old man?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #502 on: June 24, 2019, 03:39:13 PM »
No it isn't. It's up to those claiming that statement is factual.
It is factual.  No car was leased to Gerry McCann for use on the night of thr 3rd, morning of the 4th, nor is there any evidence that a car was stolen on the night of the 3rd in PdL, nor is there anyone living in the vicinity of PdL who had a personal connection to the McCanns, who might have lent him a car, so it’s a fact.  It’s a pretty silly game you’re playing, but if  keeps you amused.  There is no evidence Gerry didn’t have access to a wood chipper that night either, or the keys to the local pet crematorium ergo it can’t be ruled out, right?
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"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #503 on: June 24, 2019, 03:48:38 PM »
Have you shifted your stance from no fingerprints to dissing Professor Barclay?  Barclay had no access to the PJ Files.  He was going by what was in the public domain at the time.  And that was Irene Trovão dusting the shutter for fingerprints, as shown in the C4 video.

I haven't shifted my stance at all... Barclay should have not reached any conclusions based on insufficient evidence.... That isn't how real experts work

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #504 on: June 24, 2019, 03:58:45 PM »
It is factual.  No car was leased to Gerry McCann for use on the night of thr 3rd, morning of the 4th, nor is there any evidence that a car was stolen on the night of the 3rd in PdL, nor is there anyone living in the vicinity of PdL who had a personal connection to the McCanns, who might have leant him a car, so it’s a fact.  It’s a pretty silly game you’re playing, but if  keeps you amused.  There is no evidence Gerry didn’t have access to a wood chipper that night either, or the keys to the local pet crematorium ergo it can’t be ruled out, right?

To date, I have not been able to establish who delivered two mobiles to the Portimão PJ station on 4 May, nor why, nor how.

Someone was very quick to be a Guardian Angel in the Algarve.

Hmmm?   *%87
What's up, old man?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #505 on: June 24, 2019, 04:00:32 PM »
To date, I have not been able to establish who delivered two mobiles to the Portimão PJ station on 4 May, nor why, nor how.

Someone was very quick to be a Guardian Angel in the Algarve.

Hmmm?   *%87
Thanks for sharing.  And your point is...?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #506 on: June 24, 2019, 04:02:45 PM »
Thanks for sharing.  And your point is...?

Exactly the point I've made.
What's up, old man?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #507 on: June 24, 2019, 04:06:39 PM »
Exactly the point I've made.
What does it have to do with my post?   *%87 Hmmm...?
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #508 on: June 24, 2019, 04:17:18 PM »
What does it have to do with my post?   *%87 Hmmm...?

You were trying to assert the group did not have access to resources.

They clearly did.

Simple.
What's up, old man?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?
« Reply #509 on: June 24, 2019, 04:18:46 PM »
You were trying to assert the group did not have access to resources.

They clearly did.

Simple.
Oh right so are you actually saying they had access to a car as a matter of fact now?  And your evidence is two mobile phones provided on the 4th May?   &%%6
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".