Why Should We Believe the Parent’s When....?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So we must now entertain the idea that somewhere in PdL the McCanns may have a secret contact, prepared to lend them a car to dispose of a body, a secret person that have never been identified or even mooted by the authorities but is nevertheless guilty of assisting in the crime of body disposal.  We must also entertain the idea that despite allegedly being seen traipsing around town with an uncovered corpse that Gerry found time following this to hook up with the secret person to borrow the car and drive off in the middle of the night to hide the body forever. 

 

[ShiningInLuz]

Oh right so are you actually saying they had access to a car as a matter of fact now?  And your evidence is two mobile phones provided on the 4th May?   

I said they had access to resources.

You asserted they did not.  Which is clearly wrong.

[jassi]

You were trying to assert the group did not have access to resources.

They clearly did.

Simple.

The phones came courtesy of Fiona's brother in law, who wouldn't have got to hear about Madeleine until the early hours of the morning, but who was able to make  contact with someone in Portugal, who was able to delver them before noon.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Reply "The, I mean, the other, there was a, the other person who contacted me which I didn't mention while I was at the Police Station was one of the Portuguese err newspapers and err you know asking, you know for comments and err so that could have been what the, you know, the number. I spoke, I did speak to the other, the friends of Simon ALDRIDGE'S who you know who kindly bought the phones and they actually bought the phones to the Portim' Police Station and I went downstairs and got the phones and then err brought them back upstairs. Err in terms of you know whether I, we spoke to them on the next day sorry, was that the question''

[ShiningInLuz]

So we must now entertain the idea that somewhere in PdL the McCanns may have a secret contact, prepared to lend them a car to dispose of a body, a secret person that have never been identified or even mooted by the authorities but is nevertheless guilty of assisting in the crime of body disposal.  We must also entertain the idea that despite allegedly being seen traipsing around town with an uncovered corpse that Gerry found time following this to hook up with the secret person to borrow the car and drive off in the middle of the night to hide the body forever. 

 

That's a cross between propaganda and hysteria.

If it looks likes Clarence and it smells like Clarence and it talks like Clarence then ....

 

[Vertigo Swirl]

I said they had access to resources.

You asserted they did not.  Which is clearly wrong.

Did I?  Perhaps you can provide a cite.  I said they did not have access to a car.  They did not. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

That's a cross between propaganda and hysteria.

If it looks likes Clarence and it smells like Clarence and it talks like Clarence then ....

 

Are you under the impression that I am Clarence Mitchell now?   

Perhaps you can tell me what your exhaustive investigations have uncovered in terms of evidence that the McCanns had access to a car over the night of the 3rd and morning of the 4th May 2007? 

[Carana]

The phones came courtesy of Fiona's brother in law, who wouldn't have got to hear about Madeleine until the early hours of the morning, but who was able to make  contact with someone in Portugal, who was able to delver them before noon.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Reply "The, I mean, the other, there was a, the other person who contacted me which I didn't mention while I was at the Police Station was one of the Portuguese err newspapers and err you know asking, you know for comments and err so that could have been what the, you know, the number. I spoke, I did speak to the other, the friends of Simon ALDRIDGE'S who you know who kindly bought the phones and they actually bought the phones to the Portim' Police Station and I went downstairs and got the phones and then err brought them back upstairs. Err in terms of you know whether I, we spoke to them on the next day sorry, was that the question''

Skim-reading through the latest argument.

Well done for finding the relevant cite, Jassi.

[ShiningInLuz]

The phones came courtesy of Fiona's brother in law, who wouldn't have got to hear about Madeleine until the early hours of the morning, but who was able to make  contact with someone in Portugal, who was able to delver them before noon.

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

Reply "The, I mean, the other, there was a, the other person who contacted me which I didn't mention while I was at the Police Station was one of the Portuguese err newspapers and err you know asking, you know for comments and err so that could have been what the, you know, the number. I spoke, I did speak to the other, the friends of Simon ALDRIDGE'S who you know who kindly bought the phones and they actually bought the phones to the Portim' Police Station and I went downstairs and got the phones and then err brought them back upstairs. Err in terms of you know whether I, we spoke to them on the next day sorry, was that the question''

Thanks Jassi for that.   

I have two comments to make.

First, trying to read David Payne's rogatory is a surefire way of sending me to sleep.

Second, if I could make next day delivery work in Portugal, you will be invited to a sumptuous feast on board my luxury yacht anchored conveniently for you in Faro marina.  You will get to choose your menu in advance, so that we can get the freshest of the freshest of your choice.  Our executive chef will cook it exactly as you wish, whilst the captain of the yacht heads us to your destination on the Algarve.

Now all I need to do is work out how to make next day delivery work in the Algarve.   

[Vertigo Swirl]

Thanks Jassi for that.   

I have two comments to make.

First, trying to read David Payne's rogatory is a surefire way of sending me to sleep.

Second, if I could make next day delivery work in Portugal, you will be invited to a sumptuous feast on board my luxury yacht anchored conveniently for you in Faro marina.  You will get to choose your menu in advance, so that we can get the freshest of the freshest of your choice.  Our executive chef will cook it exactly as you wish, whilst the captain of the yacht heads us to your destination on the Algarve.

Now all I need to do is work out how to make next day delivery work in the Algarve.   

[jassi]

Thanks Jassi for that.   

I have two comments to make.

First, trying to read David Payne's rogatory is a surefire way of sending me to sleep.

Second, if I could make next day delivery work in Portugal, you will be invited to a sumptuous feast on board my luxury yacht anchored conveniently for you in Faro marina.  You will get to choose your menu in advance, so that we can get the freshest of the freshest of your choice.  Our executive chef will cook it exactly as you wish, whilst the captain of the yacht heads us to your destination on the Algarve.

Now all I need to do is work out how to make next day delivery work in the Algarve.   

I think you need friends already out there who can go to a shop, purchase items and then personally deliver them later that day.

And barely before the news of the disappearance was common knowledge to the public 

[Mr Gray]

To date, I have not been able to establish who delivered two mobiles to the Portimão PJ station on 4 May, nor why, nor how.

Someone was very quick to be a Guardian Angel in the Algarve.

Hmmm?   

How long have you been trying to establish the answer to this, quite well known fact

[Vertigo Swirl]

I think you need friends already out there who can go to a shop, purchase items and then personally deliver them later that day.

And barely before the news of the disappearance was common knowledge to the public 

Barely after I would say.

[jassi]

Barely after I would say.

Yes, that's really what I meant, but it came out wrong   

[ShiningInLuz]

How long have you been trying to establish the answer to this, quite well known fact

Perhaps you should address the point made.

Either access to local support, or no access.

Simple.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Yes, that's really what I meant, but it came out wrong   

Never mind.  A senior moment.  We all have them.