Why do some believe the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Sp you firmly believe that sceptics here believe in parental involvement? Has it never occured to you that your belief may be wrong?

No I am absolutely positive I am right thanks.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It provides an excuse for attack...

Why have you permitted this thread to stand if you think anyone answering the question will be attacked?  What are you so scared of?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Here’s absolute proof that nearly 40% of the forum suspects the McCanns were directly involved in Madeleine’s disappearance
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2832.30
OK it’s 6 years out of date so maybe time to re-poll?

[G-Unit]

No I am absolutely positive I am right thanks.

Why do you want people to confirm your belief then?

[Vertigo Swirl]

Why do you want people to confirm your belief then?

a) I value candour and courage of convictions  in a debating opponent and b) I don’t seek confirmation of my belief I seek those with the honesty and balls to answer the question posed by this thread which no one appears prepared to answer.

[G-Unit]

a) I value candour and courage of convictions  in a debating opponent and b) I don’t seek confirmation of my belief I seek those with the honesty and balls to answer the question posed by this thread which no one appears prepared to answer.

So even though I've always been honest about my views you absolutely refuse to believe me? There's no point in further discussion then, is there?

[Vertigo Swirl]

So even though I've always been honest about my views you absolutely refuse to believe me? There's no point in further discussion then, is there?

Are you the only sceptic on this forum?  Have I said I refused to believe you?  I am simply expressing curiosity as to why those who believe the parents to be directly involved in Madeleine’s disappearance are unprepared to explain why, further if it’s such a reprehensible question, then I am also curious to know why it was allowed to be posed in the first place.  I fully accept you do not necessarily believe that the McCanns were directly involved in Madeleine’s disappearance though you have stated that in your opinion abduction was almost impossible. That does narrow the field somewhat.

[Mr Gray]

My belief is that sceptics simply can't admit they believe the mccanns are involved because it would expose the fact that they believe in something without evidence

[G-Unit]

So, Holly. The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance. There may be people here who haven't ruled it out, but that's a different question.

There are people here who have ruled the parents out. They believe passionately that the parents are completely innocent.

[Vertigo Swirl]

So, Holly. The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance. There nay be people here who haven't ruled it out, but that's a different question.

There are people here who have ruled the parents out. They believe passionately that the parenrs are completely innocent.

You obviously ignored the results of the poll which contradict your post above completely.

[Holly Goodhead]

So, Holly. The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance. There nay be people here who haven't ruled it out, but that's a different question.

There are people here who have ruled the parents out. They believe passionately that the parenrs are completely innocent.

I think it's best to keep an open mind but imo I think it's unlikely the parents were involved but I see why others are 'skeptical' mainly I think because the aftermath was surreal coupled with imo the bizarre and crazy "childcare arrangements".

I've explained what I learned about the science of sleep on my psychology course and the fact certain stages are difficult to wake from, more so for small children.  I put a link up for the video clip of SM being carried down the aircraft steps by GM where he then spoke into a microphone with the aircraft engines whirring in the background. SM remained fast asleep.  So for me the idea the children were drugged or given massive doses of Calpol to knock them out by either the McCanns or a some would be abductor doesn't ring true.

Afaik no forensic service provider in the UK offers tests using detection dogs.  No one has been able to cite any other UK case where they've been used in a criminal trial.  In this case I think they amount to junk science on par with say lie detector tests.

I know from my research into the Bamber case where the same DNA tests were carried ie LCN DNA that this type of DNA testing is capable of producing a result from a sample the size of one millionth of the size of a grain of salt and in most cases is not even capable of confirming the biological material eg skin cells, sweat, saliva.  Its fraught with problems over contamination and statistical analysis.  In the Bamber case three appeal court judges ruled the results were "completely meaningless" because the possibility of all sorts of contamination could not be ruled out.  MM's DNA would be all over the place and transferred to other places too even after her disappearance so meaningless imo.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Holly, in light of the rather surprising claim from the most learned McCann sceptic of the forum that no one here believes the parents were directly involved in Madeleine’s disappearance, perhaps you could start a new thread asking the question “why does no one on this forum believe the McCanns were directly involved in madeleine’s disappearance?”  I’m sure that would be a very interesting thread to which not a single sceptic would reply explaining their reasons.

[Mr Gray]

So, Holly. The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance. There may be people here who haven't ruled it out, but that's a different question.

There are people here who have ruled the parents out. They believe passionately that the parents are completely innocent.

I'm not sure if you understand the posts made by posters here... I believe... Based on the evidence... That it is highly... Highly   ...unlikely the mccanns are involved..

I think that's, a fairly sensible viewpoint

[Mr Gray]

I think it's best to keep an open mind but imo I think it's unlikely the parents were involved but I see why others are 'skeptical' mainly I think because the aftermath was surreal coupled with imo the bizarre and crazy "childcare arrangements".

I've explained what I learned about the science of sleep on my psychology course and the fact certain stages are difficult to wake from, more so for small children.  I put a link up for the video clip of SM being carried down the aircraft steps by GM where he then spoke into a microphone with the aircraft engines whirring in the background. SM remained fast asleep.  So for me the idea the children were drugged or given massive doses of Calpol to knock them out by either the McCanns or a some would be abductor doesn't ring true.

Afaik no forensic service provider in the UK offers tests using detection dogs.  No one has been able to cite any other UK case where they've been used in a criminal trial.  In this case I think they amount to junk science on par with say lie detector tests.

I know from my research into the Bamber case where the same DNA tests were carried ie LCN DNA that this type of DNA testing is capable of producing a result from a sample the size of one millionth of the size of a grain of salt and in most cases is not even capable of confirming the biological material eg skin cells, sweat, saliva.  Its fraught with problems over contamination and statistical analysis.  In the Bamber case three appeal court judges ruled the results were "completely meaningless" because the possibility of all sorts of contamination could not be ruled out.  MM's DNA would be all over the place and transferred to other places too even after her disappearance so meaningless imo.

Dog alert evidence was allowed in one UK case.. Susan Pillay... There was lots of other evidence to support his conviction

According to the family after his appeal... The, appeal court was critical if the admissibilty of the dog evidence

Based on extensive reading around the topic it's clear to me that the digs, are, excellent  at finding evidence... According to grime that's, what he trains them fir.. But the alerts themselves are not reliable

[Vertigo Swirl]

So, Holly. The answer is that no-one here believes the parents were directly involved in MM's disappearance. There may be people here who haven't ruled it out, but that's a different question.

There are people here who have ruled the parents out. They believe passionately that the parents are completely innocent.

Why don’t you believe the parents were directly involved in Madeleine’s disappearance?  Moreover, why do you believe you can speak for all sceptics on the forum?