The timeline revisited

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

How many posters here accept it likely that the actual time of Kate's alarm was before 10pm.

Some independent witnesses suggest it may have been but....

Of the T7 in their first statements we have:

DP "Towards 10pm" (suggests before imo)
FP - Doesn't give a time.
MO - At around 10pm
RO - At around 10pm
JT - not present when alarm raised
ROB At around 10pm
DW - Doesn't say a time.

Gerry and Kate stated:
GM - At about 10pm
KM - At around 10pm

[Vertigo Swirl]

How many posters here accept it likely that the actual time of Kate's alarm was before 10pm.

Some independent witnesses suggest it may have been but....

Of the T7 in their first statements we have:

DP "Towards 10pm" (suggests before imo)
FP - Doesn't give a time.
MO - At around 10pm
RO - At around 10pm
JT - not present when alarm raised
ROB At around 10pm
DW - Doesn't say a time.

Gerry and Kate stated:
GM - At about 10pm
KM - At around 10pm

Based on that I would say it was around 10pm, which would have been around half an hour after the last check which is in keeping with the pattern of the previous checks, ie on the hour and half hour.

[Wonderfulspam]

Based on that I would say it was around 10pm, which would have been around half an hour after the last check which is in keeping with the pattern of the previous checks, ie on the hour and half hour.

Well, according to the archival summary "they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did".

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

[Vertigo Swirl]

Well, according to the archival summary "they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did".

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

Oh?  So when did they check on them?  The archival summary must have proof of the actual times, let’s hear it.

[Wonderfulspam]

Oh?  So when did they check on them?  The archival summary must have proof of the actual times, let’s hear it.

No one has proof of the actual times, had you not noticed?

[Vertigo Swirl]

No one has proof of the actual times, had you not noticed?

but the archiving summary which you quoted says
“they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did”
So upon what basis did they arrive at this conclusion?

[G-Unit]

Based on that I would say it was around 10pm, which would have been around half an hour after the last check which is in keeping with the pattern of the previous checks, ie on the hour and half hour.

One thing which puzzles me is that Matthew Oldfield was 'in tune' with the McCanns. He checked his daughter at 9pm and 9.30pm. He was also due to check at 10pm therefore, but he didn't. He said;

Russell came back and we started chatting, you know, how's Evie and all that sort of thing, erm, so, I think he was still eating at the time, so we waited until he'd finished before we went'.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Of course Russell didn't need to check at 10pm because Jane was in his apartment.

[Vertigo Swirl]

One thing which puzzles me is that Matthew Oldfield was 'in tune' with the McCanns. He checked his daughter at 9pm and 9.30pm. He was also due to check at 10pm therefore, but he didn't. He said;

Russell came back and we started chatting, you know, how's Evie and all that sort of thing, erm, so, I think he was still eating at the time, so we waited until he'd finished before we went'.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

Of course Russell didn't need to check at 10pm because Jane was in his apartment.

I don’t understand.  At 10pm other things were going on, that they hadn’t anticipated.  What’s puzzling you?

[Eleanor]

And off we go again on this not so bright Sunday morning.

Rinse and Repeat ad infinitum.

[barrier]

And off we go again on this not so bright Sunday morning.

Rinse and Repeat ad infinitum.

Give over, what else would you be doing if you didn't have it to read.

[G-Unit]

I don’t understand.  At 10pm other things were going on, that they hadn’t anticipated.  What’s puzzling you?

That Matthew, who was due to check his daughter at the same time as Kate, didn't.

[Vertigo Swirl]

That Matthew, who was due to check his daughter at the same time as Kate, didn't.

I don’t think they were in a pact that meant they had to leave the table at exactly the same time.  I expect tongues would have wagged even harder in some circles if they had!

[G-Unit]

And off we go again on this not so bright Sunday morning.

Rinse and Repeat ad infinitum.

The weather here is bright and sunny. 

[Eleanor]

Give over, what else would you be doing if you didn't have it to read.

Christ knows.  Fourteen years.  Staggering home after hours of cutting the lawns of absent owners just to earn a crust.  What's not to like about the awful problems of the really benighted.  People who have had worse things to deal with than I ever have.

Be thankful for small mercies.

[Eleanor]

The weather here is bright and sunny. 

Thanks a bunch.  Global Warming seems to have missed Brittany.  Again.