The timeline revisited

[Mr Gray]

How can you find such evidence? How can you know whether or not cadaver dog alerts seen as intelligence before 2007?

I've never said that... You should read what I posted... Understand it and ask questions relating to it

[Mr Gray]

Well its usually beyond reasonable doubt, of which there clearly is, CB's not even been questioned.

Another one who doesn't read the post properly

[barrier]

Another one who doesn't read the post properly

So I ask again who says CB is 100% guilty and who are the professionals investigating them.

[Mr Gray]

So I ask again who says CB is 100% guilty and who are the professionals investigating them.

You already know the answer...not sure why you are pretending to be ignorant

[Mr Gray]

How can you find such evidence? How can you know whether or not cadaver dog alerts seen as intelligence before 2007?

First i never mentioned 2007...try to be more precise...this is what Grime wrote and it is evidence and supports what I posted...fact..


In 2005 it was realised that detection canines may be of assistance to the law enforcement investigation of homicide and allegations of abduction where the pace of investigations is of paramount importance. Innovative method and ‘out of the box thinking by the UK National Search Manager introduced Human Scent Trailing, Human Blood Detection and Victim Recovery Dogs (now collectively designated as Forensic Canines) within critical case investigations to ascertain whether or not they could provide case intelligence.

[G-Unit]

First i never mentioned 2007...try to be more precise...this is what Grime wrote and it is evidence and supports what I posted...fact..


In 2005 it was realised that detection canines may be of assistance to the law enforcement investigation of homicide and allegations of abduction where the pace of investigations is of paramount importance. Innovative method and ‘out of the box thinking by the UK National Search Manager introduced Human Scent Trailing, Human Blood Detection and Victim Recovery Dogs (now collectively designated as Forensic Canines) within critical case investigations to ascertain whether or not they could provide case intelligence.

That refers specifically to critical case investigations. I'm sure the dogs were used previously to provide intelligence, but maybe not always in that kind of investigation.

[Vertigo Swirl]

That refers specifically to critical case investigations. I'm sure the dogs were used previously to provide intelligence, but maybe not always in that kind of investigation.

Can you give an example of the sort of case where cadaver and blood dog intelligence might have been called upon in court prior to 2005 that weren’t homicide or abduction cases?

[Mr Gray]

That refers specifically to critical case investigations. I'm sure the dogs were used previously to provide intelligence, but maybe not always in that kind of investigation.

That sounds like total waffle to me.. What do you understand by "critical case investigations"...please explain what you think it means

[G-Unit]

That sounds like total waffle to me.. What do you understand by "critical case investigations"...please explain what you think it means

Does it? It seems quite clear to me.

Grime is talking about the introduction in 2005 of Forensic Canines into critical case investigations. These investigations are the investigation of homicide and allegations of abduction where the pace of investigations is of paramount importance.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Does it? It seems quite clear to me.

Grime is talking about the introduction in 2005 of Forensic Canines into critical case investigations. These investigations are the investigation of homicide and allegations of abduction where the pace of investigations is of paramount importance.

Can you give an example of the sort of case where cadaver and blood dog intelligence might have been called upon in court prior to 2005 that weren’t homicide or abduction cases?

[Mr Gray]

That refers specifically to critical case investigations. I'm sure the dogs were used previously to provide intelligence, but maybe not always in that kind of investigation.

So cadaver dogs hadn't been used as intelligence in homicide or abduction cases...but had been used in other cases... Are you serious

[Mr Gray]

Dane County Judge Patrick Fiedler said the ruling is one of the nation’s first on the admissibility of evidence obtained from trained corpse-sniffing dogs, a relatively new technique used in police searches.


So in 2007 in the Zapata case corpse sniffing dogs were described as a NEW police technique... Looks like more proof to support my statements.

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

You've now claimed two different things..
Encouraged false alerts.... Possibly but not conciously

Deliberately encouraged false alerts.. No

What about when he called Eddie back to the Renault Scenic? Was he acting unconsciously? If not what do you think he was doing?

Also your theory about what Eddie alerts to "when there is no cadaver" doesn't stack up imo. Why no alerts in any other apartments? And "length of time" doesn't stand up to scrutiny either. Where is your peer reviewed forensic science which shows given enough time a cadaver dog will eventually alert even when there is no cadaverine? This is such a high profile case yet it seems no forensic scientist or police dog handler are critical of Grime and his work in the McCann case.

[G-Unit]

So cadaver dogs hadn't been used as intelligence in homicide or abduction cases...but had been used in other cases... Are you serious

Mark Harrison's job was to advise NATIONALLY on homicide searches. Not all forces had Forensic Cannines, so not all forces would use them as a matter of course. Harrison, Grime and the S.A.M dog teams from Dyfed Powys became available nationally to any force needing their expertise.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You two are masters of evasion I must say…