The timeline revisited

[Vertigo Swirl]

Doesn't make it so though.

I think I’ll take he Met’s opinion over yours and G-Unit’s thanks.  Plus - any fool can see that there was ample opportunity to enter the apartment and take a child even if they refuse to admit it.  Let’s not forget the McCanns still to this day get it in the neck for leaving the kids in an unlocked apartment.  Why should it concern people if the apartment was locked  or not if there was no opportunity for an abduction to take place?

[G-Unit]

I think I’ll take he Met’s opinion over yours and G-Unit’s thanks.  Plus - any fool can see that there was ample opportunity to enter the apartment and take a child even if they refuse to admit it.  Let’s not forget the McCanns still to this day get it in the neck for leaving the kids in an unlocked apartment.  Why should it concern people if the apartment was locked  or not if there was no opportunity for an abduction to take place?

You seem to think abduction is the only danger parents need to worry about when leaving children home alone. It's not, there are many dangers which make it unacceptable. Dangers which passers by wouldn't prevent.

[Vertigo Swirl]

You seem to think abduction is the only danger parents need to worry about when leaving children home alone. It's not, there are many dangers which make it unacceptable. Dangers which passers by wouldn't prevent.

No, I know that, if you read my post carefully you will see I was referring to the unlocked element of the leaving the kids.  This decision seems to be the “cherry on the cake” of the neglect accusation, in fact some people (eg Cheeky Monkey) find iit so hard to believe that they don’t believe the McCanns left the apartment unlocked at all.  So leaving an apartment unlocked with your kids in it obviously exposes them to perceived dangers other than choking, falling off a sofa, od’ing on Calpol, etc.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Put it this way.  If you went in holiday to a resort such as the Ocean Club and went to dinner you would lock the apartment before leaving, even if it was your intention to return to the apartment on a regular basis throughout the evening, to use the toilet, check on the football scores, whatever.  Why would you lock it? 

[barrier]

I think I’ll take he Met’s opinion over yours and G-Unit’s thanks.  Plus - any fool can see that there was ample opportunity to enter the apartment and take a child even if they refuse to admit it.  Let’s not forget the McCanns still to this day get it in the neck for leaving the kids in an unlocked apartment.  Why should it concern people if the apartment was locked  or not if there was no opportunity for an abduction to take place?

Just because there was ample opportunity in your book doesn't mean to say it happened,recently(speaking on LBC radio) even the met commissioner is feeling rather pessimistic on the outcome,which what ever you want to cut it they can't find no abductor.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Just because there was ample opportunity in your book doesn't mean to say it happened,recently(speaking on LBC radio) even the met commissioner is feeling rather pessimistic on the outcome,which what ever you want to cut it they can't find no abductor.

This thread is all about trying to disprove the notion that there was opportunity for an abductor to strike.  It has singularly failed to do so, in fact has achieved the reverse.

[barrier]

This thread is all about trying to disprove the notion that there was opportunity for an abductor to strike. It has singularly failed to do so, in fact has achieved the reverse.

12yrs and counting suggest's it's awfully difficult to see how.

[Vertigo Swirl]

12yrs and counting suggest's it's awfully difficult to see how.

The length of time it takes to solve a case has no bearing whatsoever on whether it was possible to abduct the child from the apartment.  You may as well claim that because no abductor or murderer has been identified in the Claudia Lawrence case in so many years that it’s hard to see how she could have been abducted and/or murdered.

[G-Unit]

No, I know that, if you read my post carefully you will see I was referring to the unlocked element of the leaving the kids.  This decision seems to be the “cherry on the cake” of the neglect accusation, in fact some people (eg Cheeky Monkey) find iit so hard to believe that they don’t believe the McCanns left the apartment unlocked at all.  So leaving an apartment unlocked with your kids in it obviously exposes them to perceived dangers other than choking, falling off a sofa, od’ing on Calpol, etc.

Leaving small chidren home alone is stupid. Not locking them in is even more stupid. Yet the McCanns say that;s what they did. They also say that someone opened the shutter and window for no apparent reason. In my opinion they should have been surprised if no one commented, not surprised that people dud. I've never heard such a load of rubbish in my life. Claiming that MBM was abducted is just more of the same imo.

[Holly Goodhead]

Although you refuse to believe it, parental involvement is also possible.

But what motive did the parents have to do whatever it is they are supposed to have done and then attempt to conceal it and MM from the world and his dog, ok 2 cadaver dogs !?

Crimes usually feature the following:

-Means
-Motive
-Opportunity

I'm struggling with the last two.

[Holly Goodhead]

Woman and man who visited 605 and left close to 10 pm to go home.

605?  Is that a neighboring property or another apartment within the complex?

[Holly Goodhead]

I think the quote from your post "It is too farcical to take seriously." sums up the content of your post precisely.

No-one knew of Gerry's 'proud dad moment'.
No-one knew of Jane's sighting.
No-one knew of the door being moved.

Instead of ridicule ... perhaps if the PJ had analysed the crime scene as it was presented to the witnesses ... Madeleine's story might have been different and she might have retained her identity and not been reduced to initials over twelve years down the line.[/b]

MM's story might have been different had her parents not been so feckless in providing adequate supervision.  Had they even locked the patio door and carried out checks via the front door MM's story might have been different.

Using initials on an internet forum has it advantages not just in terms of speed of typing but it reduces the chances of our posts being retrieved by anyone carrying out a name based search.

[Holly Goodhead]

Leaving small chidren home alone is stupid. Not locking them in is even more stupid. Yet the McCanns say that;s what they did. They also say that someone opened the shutter and window for no apparent reason. In my opinion they should have been surprised if no one commented, not surprised that people dud. I've never heard such a load of rubbish in my life. Claiming that MBM was abducted is just more of the same imo.

An expert has given a reason for the shutter and window found opened.  Its called 'staging' and is a well known phenomenon whereby the perps of crime alter soc in an attempt to throw investigators.

[G-Unit]

But what motive did the parents have to do whatever it is they are supposed to have done and then attempt to conceal it and MM from the world and his dog, ok 2 cadaver dogs !?

Crimes usually feature the following:

-Means
-Motive
-Opportunity

I'm struggling with the last two.

Accidental, unexpected or intentional death before 8:30.
Decision to cover it ip.
Some kind of disposal after it got dark. 

[The General]

An expert has given a reason for the shutter and window found opened.  Its called 'staging' and is a well known phenomenon whereby the perps of crime alter soc in an attempt to throw investigators.

Such pointless and futile staging. Why go to the trouble, in the midst of an apparent abduction, to 'stage' the scene to make it look a different access and egress route was taken? Why not make it look like she wandered out, thereby throwing the them off the scent altogether?
Why make the sleeping twins even more vulnerable, as an abductor, by opening up an additional access point?