The timeline revisited

[Billy Whizz Fan Club]

but the archiving summary which you quoted says
“they didn't check on them like they afterwards declared they did”
So upon what basis did they arrive at this conclusion?

I haven't re-read it but maybe that is referring to the manner of the check i.e going inside the apartment. My understanding is that they employed instead a listening on the outside method of "checking" by their own admission apart from the one fateful night when it was, reportedly, done differently.

[G-Unit]

I haven't re-read it but maybe that is referring to the manner of the check i.e going inside the apartment. My understanding is that they employed instead a listening on the outside method of "checking" by their own admission apart from the one fateful night when it was, reportedly, done differently.

Mrs Fenn heard crying lasting an hour and fifteen minutes, which means the children were not being visited every 30 minutes.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Mrs Fenn heard crying lasting an hour and fifteen minutes, which means the children were not being visited every 30 minutes.

That is an assumption on your part. 

[G-Unit]

That is an assumption on your part.

A conclusion reached by the PJ, not me.

[Vertigo Swirl]

A conclusion reached by the PJ, not me.

You stated it as a fact, it is not a fact unless you can explain why.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The alarm was raised at around 10pm and Gerry was sat at the tapas table at the time.

[G-Unit]

You stated it as a fact, it is not a fact unless you can explain why.

It's a fact that the PJ reached that conclusion.

"PAMELA FENN lives on the first floor of the residential block, above the apartment occupied by the McCANN family. She related that, on 1 May 2007, two days before the disappearance, at about 22h30, she heard a child crying, which by the sound was MADELEINE. The child continued weeping for one hour and 15 minutes, until the parent’s arrival (she heard the door sounds), at about 23h45. This witness places in cause the allegation (by the parents) of the daily routine of visits every 30 minutes to check the children who had been left on their own."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

[Wonderfulspam]

The alarm was raised at around 10pm and Gerry was sat at the tapas table at the time.

'Around' 10pm, so it could have been quarter to then.

[Lace]

Mrs Fenn heard crying lasting an hour and fifteen minutes, which means the children were not being visited every 30 minutes.

IMO I still believe Mrs Fenn was confused.   On the Tuesday night Madeleine was woken by the twins crying.   IMO Amelie woke grizzled for a bit waking Sean who then cried,  waking Madeleine who called Daddy.   She then went into the McCann's bedroom and slept  there the rest of the night.

[Vertigo Swirl]

'Around' 10pm, so it could have been quarter to then.

No it couldn't.  Then it would have been described as "around quarter to 10".

[Vertigo Swirl]

It's a fact that the PJ reached that conclusion.

"PAMELA FENN lives on the first floor of the residential block, above the apartment occupied by the McCANN family. She related that, on 1 May 2007, two days before the disappearance, at about 22h30, she heard a child crying, which by the sound was MADELEINE. The child continued weeping for one hour and 15 minutes, until the parent’s arrival (she heard the door sounds), at about 23h45. This witness places in cause the allegation (by the parents) of the daily routine of visits every 30 minutes to check the children who had been left on their own."
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/P_J_FINAL_REPORT.htm

You didn't mention the PJ in your post though did you?  But I'm glad we can now treat their conclusions as facts.  They concluded Gerry could not be Smithman, so now that's a fact. 

[Wonderfulspam]

No it couldn't.  Then it would have been described as "around quarter to 10".

Ok, so what is the cut off point between quarter to & ten when the time becomes 'around'

9.46?, 9.51?

It seems a bit vague if you ask me.

[Brietta]

IMO I still believe Mrs Fenn was confused.   On the Tuesday night Madeleine was woken by the twins crying.   IMO Amelie woke grizzled for a bit waking Sean who then cried,  waking Madeleine who called Daddy.   She then went into the McCann's bedroom and slept  there the rest of the night.

I don't think Mrs Fenn was confused I think the PJ were making assumptions, always supposing we have been allowed to read the correct version of the translation.

For example Did Mrs Fenn mention Madeleine by name?  It must also be borne in mind that there were other people moving around in the resort at the time - not one of whom mentions hearing a crying child.

Not even the Irish teenager nipping out for a smoke, or the Tapas waiter hanging about doing likewise.

To update the information just a little ~ had the PJ bothered to track Brueckner (or A N Other with a similar profile to his) down instead of going away when he didn't answer his door to them ~ they could have asked him pertinent questions, the answers to which might have made a 'timeline' really meaningful.

[Vertigo Swirl]

Ok, so what is the cut off point between quarter to & ten when the time becomes 'around'

9.46?, 9.51?

It seems a bit vague if you ask me.

no more than five minutes either side of the quarter hour IMO. 

[Wonderfulspam]

I don't think Mrs Fenn was confused I think the PJ were making assumptions, always supposing we have been allowed to read the correct version of the translation.

For example Did Mrs Fenn mention Madeleine by name?  It must also be borne in mind that there were other people moving around in the resort at the time - not one of whom mentions hearing a crying child.

Not even the Irish teenager nipping out for a smoke, or the Tapas waiter hanging about doing likewise.

To update the information just a little ~ had the PJ bothered to track Brueckner (or A N Other with a similar profile to his) down instead of going away when he didn't answer his door to them ~ they could have asked him pertinent questions, the answers to which might have made a 'timeline' really meaningful.

Yes, they could have asked him 'did you abduct Maddie?' 

He'd say no, then what?