The timeline revisited

[Icanhandlethetruth]

Gunit claimed yesterday Eddie has never given a false alert.... There is no evidence to show that's a fact and imo a daft claim
The McCanns cannot be innocent if, Eddie was correct... Unless the PJ planted evidence.. That's, why I think it's necessary to counter those who believe in the hype surrounding the dogs

Well Martin Grime does claim that Eddie has never given a false positive alert  in his statement do you have contrary info that he had given a false positive prior to this statement.
To me there is the crux of your position, you are convinced that the McCanns are innocent and from that perspective the alerts have to be false there is no other way, but what if it could have been either CB or the McCanns or even someone else no one knows.

[Mr Gray]

Well Martin Grime does claim that Eddie has never given a false positive alert  in his statement do you have contrary info that he had given a false positive prior to this statement.
To me there is the crux of your position, you are convinced that the McCanns are innocent and from that perspective the alerts have to be false there is no other way, but what if it could have been either CB or the McCanns or even someone else no one knows.

I'm not sure that's what Grime claims.  If he does that's quite a daft claim.  ..Grime cannot substantiate that claim.. That would be a massive question against his credibility

[Icanhandlethetruth]

And replied.. No he hasn't..
I said that because he hasn't said he doesn't have a photo and I'm reasonably sure from what he has, said he does.  Quite a few who follow the case agree.
An Australian jotlrnalist who interviewed him picked up thee exact phrase I did

The difference is I don't know if he has a photo or not, there is not enough from what Wolters has said to jump to that conclusion, but you seem convinced that he has. Time will tell.

[Mr Gray]

Well Martin Grime does claim that Eddie has never given a false positive alert  in his statement do you have contrary info that he had given a false positive prior to this statement.
To me there is the crux of your position, you are convinced that the McCanns are innocent and from that perspective the alerts have to be false there is no other way, but what if it could have been either CB or the McCanns or even someone else no one knows.

I'm not convinced thevalerts have to be false.. I've said the pj may have planted evidence..
If not then I'm convinced they are false partly due to my belief that the McCanns are innocent and two because there is no real evidence to support their credibility

[Icanhandlethetruth]

I'm not sure that's what Grime claims.  If he does that's quite a daft claim.  ..Grime cannot substantiate that claim.. That would be a massive question against his credibility

False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.

Well how do you interpret his words in bold?

[Mr Gray]

The difference is I don't know if he has a photo or not, there is not enough from what Wolters has said to jump to that conclusion, but you seem convinced that he has. Time will tell.

You don't seem to be aware of all Wolters has said and some of what you've read you've misunderstood.. I and other knowledgeable and intelligent posters think its quite likely

[Icanhandlethetruth]

I'm not convinced thevalerts have to be false.. I've said the pj may have planted evidence..
If not then I'm convinced they are false partly due to my belief that the McCanns are innocent and two because there is no real evidence to support their credibility

That's quite a conspiracy theory going on there. Why on earth would the PJ want to plant evidence to frame two British doctors?
As I said you approach the alerts with the belief that the McCanns are innocent so you are not looking at them objectively, imo

[Icanhandlethetruth]

You don't seem to be aware of all Wolters has said and some of what you've read you've misunderstood.. I and other knowledgeable and intelligent posters think its quite likely

Well please expand to this dumb and non intelligent poster just what I have misunderstood.

[Mr Gray]

False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.

Well how do you interpret his words in bold?

I've explained that I think he's referring to false positives Re food or roadkill.

If he did say it... He's an idiot... And I don't think he is

[Icanhandlethetruth]

I've explained that I think he's referring to false positives Re food or roadkill.

If he did say it... He's an idiot... And I don't think he is

You do know how punctuation works right? There is a full stop right after the word training. This signifies the end of the sentence. He then starts another sentence  referring to foodstuffs and then another sentence regarding road kill.
They are different sentences.

Why would he be an idiot if he is telling the truth and Eddie hasn't false alerted operationally or in training. If you know that he has please provide evidence to back it up.

[Mr Gray]

Well please expand to this dumb and non intelligent poster just what I have misunderstood.

You picked up on what you felt was malice in my posts... I don't have a malicious bone in my body. 
When I raised the awful abuse I've experienced on this forum you ignored it.

When you earn a little more respect for others I might take a little time to expand on my observations.  I have no interest to prove to others I'm right.. All will be revealed.

[Mr Gray]

You do know how punctuation works right? There is a full stop right after the word training. This signifies the end of the sentence. He then starts another sentence  referring to foodstuffs and then another sentence regarding road kill.
They are different sentences.

Why would he be an idiot if he is telling the truth and Eddie hasn't false alerted operationally or in training. If you know that he has please provide evidence to back it up.

How could he possily know that every alert Eddie has made. Has been genuine.. He simply can't. Every unconfirmed alert isvan unknown.. Surely you can understand that

[Mr Gray]

You do know how punctuation works right? There is a full stop right after the word training. This signifies the end of the sentence. He then starts another sentence  referring to foodstuffs and then another sentence regarding road kill.
They are different sentences.

Why would he be an idiot if he is telling the truth and Eddie hasn't false alerted operationally or in training. If you know that he has please provide evidence to back it up.

It's very telling you ask me for evidence but are prepared to accept a totally daft claim from Grime without any evidence

[G-Unit]

I've explained that I think he's referring to false positives Re food or roadkill.

If he did say it... He's an idiot... And I don't think he is

He then explains how false alerts are avoided;

My experience as a trainer is that false alerts are normally caused by handler
cueing. All indications by the dog are preceded by a change in bahaviour.
This increased handler confidence in the response. This procedure also stops
handlers 'cueing' and indication. The dogs are allowed to 'free search' and
investigate areas of interest. The handler does not influence their behaviour
other than to direct the search
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

So false positives are when the dog reacts to foodstuffs or roadkill. False alerts are when the dog alerts without anything tangible to explain it. So if Eddie wasn't reacting to foodstuffs, and Grime was confident that he didn't cue the dog, we can conclude that he was reacting to the scent he was trained to find.

[Icanhandlethetruth]

You picked up on what you felt was malice in my posts... I don't have a malicious bone in my body. 
When I raised the awful abuse I've experienced on this forum you ignored it.

When you earn a little more respect for others I might take a little time to expand on my observations.  I have no interest to prove to others I'm right.. All will be revealed.

When I read that your wife was racially abused I felt sad that it should come to that on a forum.
 But then I thought 2 wrongs don’t make a right and if you had been abused on this forum maybe you should have some understanding not to abuse other posters yourself.

I didn’t ignore your post I took it onboard but felt any reply I made wouldn’t take us anywhere.
I have the utmost respect for other people, I don't know why you think I don't unless you think it was me who abused your wife