Were The McCann Children more vulnerable than the others?

[Robittybob1]

The files, look in them, full of known facts.

Let's give thanks to G-unit for diligence in doing that. 

[Vertigo Swirl]

Or any fact that even suggests that there was an abductor.

If you re-read my post you will see that I was saying that all the known facts make your (and any other parental involvement) theory extremely unlikely  but you have read what I’ve written and decided that I wrote “there are loads of known facts that prove abduction “.  Try to improve your comprehension skills before reading my next post, there’s a love.

[Vertigo Swirl]

It was shear stupidity imo leaving three young children alone for over an hour on at least one documented occasion.  It's true what they say about common sense and intelligence.

Yes we all know what you think about the parents, but actually addressing my post would have been more constructive in that it may have led to a change of the record for once.

[faithlilly]

If you re-read my post you will see that I was saying that all the known facts make your (and any other parental involvement) theory extremely unlikely  but you have read what I’ve written and decided that I wrote “there are loads of known facts that prove abduction “.  Try to improve your comprehension skills before reading my next post, there’s a love.

There is nothing wrong with my comprehension. If you meant the above would you please craft your sentences more carefully so that they actually say what you want them to say.

[Vertigo Swirl]

There is nothing wrong with my comprehension. If you meant the above would you please craft your sentences more carefully so that they actually say what you want them to say.

Do you spot the word “abduction “ in what I wrote?

“Everything preclude’s (sic) Madeleine dying in a fall off the balcony, lying there long enough to emit cadaver odour, being discovered, all within the 90 minutes her parents were away from the apartment, and with others checking on the apartment, plus all the other known facts”.

Now feel free to parse that sentence so it means what you think I said and we’ll take it from there.

[Holly Goodhead]

The McCanns are castigated for leaving their kids alone to dine out at the Tapas restaurant but come in for extra criticism for doing so and leaving the patio door unlocked.  Do people think this added to the risks facing the kids, and if so what were the additional risks?

Yes definitely and imo this is the whole crux of the case. 

Anyone observing T9's comings and goings during the night time jolly ups @ Tapas could potentially quickly pick up on the fact the McCanns were checking via the patio doors at the back and would understand these doors must be unlocked since they were re-entering. 

T7 were not walking along the alley and through the garden gates.  They were disappearing out of line of sight to the front of the block and entering through their front doors.  I also believe the front doors were in a sort of alcove and looked over by other front doors the communal areas for stairs and the lift? 

[Holly Goodhead]

Yes definitely and imo this is the whole crux of the case. 

Anyone observing T9's comings and goings during the night time jolly ups @ Tapas could potentially quickly pick up on the fact the McCanns were checking via the patio doors at the back and would understand these doors must be unlocked since they were re-entering. 

T7 were not walking along the alley and through the garden gates.  They were disappearing out of line of sight to the front of the block and entering through their front doors.  I also believe the front doors were in a sort of alcove and looked over by other front doors the communal areas for stairs and the lift?

If any would be abductor wanted to whisk away any T7 child(ren) they would need to force entry to do so. 

[faithlilly]

Do you spot the word “abduction “ in what I wrote?

“Everything preclude’s (sic) Madeleine dying in a fall off the balcony, lying there long enough to emit cadaver odour, being discovered, all within the 90 minutes her parents were away from the apartment, and with others checking on the apartment, plus all the other known facts”.

Now feel free to parse that sentence so it means what you think I said and we’ll take it from there.

This was my original question.

‘Why is abduction more likely ‘in the circumstances ‘ ? Even the AG couldn’t decide what was more likely.’

I kind of thought you might be addressing that....

[Vertigo Swirl]

This was my original question.

‘Why is abduction more likely ‘in the circumstances ‘ ? Even the AG couldn’t decide what was more likely.’

I kind of thought you might be addressing that....

I was addressing the post of yours I quoted, I would have thought you understood how forums work by now? The one in which you wrote
“So nothing precludes Madeleine falling from the balcony. In fact Eddie alerting under it is a positive indicator that that may be what happened.

And still not one single, solitary shred of evidence pointing to an abduction”.

[faithlilly]

I was addressing the post of yours I quoted, I would have thought you understood how forums work by now? The one in which you wrote
“So nothing precludes Madeleine falling from the balcony. In fact Eddie alerting under it is a positive indicator that that may be what happened.

And still not one single, solitary shred of evidence pointing to an abduction”.

We were talking about different likely scenarios.

There is nothing that precludes an accident having befallen Madeleine if you put aside the statements of non-independent witnesses. That’s what you are struggling with.

[John]

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[Vertigo Swirl]

We were talking about different likely scenarios.

There is nothing that precludes an accident having befallen Madeleine if you put aside the statements of non-independent witnesses. That’s what you are struggling with.

That is not what you’re suggesting though.  What you are claiming is that nothing precludes Madeleine having a fatal accident after falling off the balcony, lying at the bottom of the steps for long enough to leave cadaver odour, being discovered by her father, being hidden by her father, then again half-an-hour later when he carried her uncoverered body to the other side of town because he remembered seeing a convenient bin there, chucking thr body in then coming back and getting his wife to raise the alarm.  I think there are plenty of non-independent witness statements which make that scenario highly, highly unilkely.

[The General]

That is not what you’re suggesting though.  What you are claiming is that nothing precludes Madeleine having a fatal accident after falling off the balcony, lying at the bottom of the steps for long enough to leave cadaver odour, being discovered by her father, being hidden by her father, then again half-an-hour later when he carried her uncoverered body to the other side of town because he remembered seeing a convenient bin there, chucking thr body in then coming back and getting his wife to raise the alarm.  I think there are plenty of non-independent witness statements which make that scenario highly, highly unilkely.

I think, to answer the initial question, it would appear that, due to the apartment apparently being left unlocked, the McCann's children were 'more vulnerable'. I understand that by creating the thread and posing the question you are demonstrating to us heathens that a window of opportunity did indeed exist, and that 'window' came to fruition for our abductor. Thus, by us admitting that their children were 'more vulnerable' we are, by default, admitting that the abduction is actually now more plausible to a degree.
Conversely, one could argue that, if one wanted it to appear that an abductor had been at work, then this 'window of opportunity' was required. It's at odds with the whole 'timeline' submission, but then that's explained by their reluctance to be cast in an unfavourable light by demonstrating wilful neglect.

I like typing these things out to straighten stuff out in my head, as I am convinced I am currently losing my memory - seriously.

[faithlilly]

That is not what you’re suggesting though.  What you are claiming is that nothing precludes Madeleine having a fatal accident after falling off the balcony, lying at the bottom of the steps for long enough to leave cadaver odour, being discovered by her father, being hidden by her father, then again half-an-hour later when he carried her uncoverered body to the other side of town because he remembered seeing a convenient bin there, chucking thr body in then coming back and getting his wife to raise the alarm.  I think there are plenty of non-independent witness statements which make that scenario highly, highly unilkely.

The only witnesses to Gerry being in the tapas at the approximate time of the Smith sighting are people who have a reason to be dishonest.

[Vertigo Swirl]

The only witnesses to Gerry being in the tapas at the approximate time of the Smith sighting are people who have a reason to be dishonest.

People such as...?  A reason such as...?