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Offline Brietta

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2019, 12:34:46 PM »
That ignores the fact that in the days immediately following the disappearance the GNR and other elements conducted a ground search to a radius of 15km from Luz.
The searches carried out by the GNR ~ the emergency services ~ volunteers et al are all well documented.

But as documented by Jose Manuel Oliveira the senior management team had organised in an entirely different way.

These were the guys who were responsible for the direction the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance would be conducted and according to Oliveira who was in that loop of the action they had decided appropriate action within hours.

That action which he outlined had nothing at all to do with promoting the search for Madeleine McCann.  According to Oliveira they had made their decision and started promoting pursuit of that ... not Madeleine ... and the first step in that was his headline of "A Badly Told Story"

The guys doing the physical searching would in my opinion be in ignorance that senior management and their use of the press were ploughing a very different furrow from the one they were.
« Last Edit: July 02, 2019, 12:37:34 PM by Brietta »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2019, 12:39:14 PM »
There is no proof she is dead... She was found guilty on a judgement of 2 to 1...so her parents, are convicted murderers but it's not proven beyond all doubt that they actually murdered her
Obvious a split decision is still OK, is it?
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2019, 12:47:36 PM »
That ignores the fact that in the days immediately following the disappearance the GNR and other elements conducted a ground search to a radius of 15km from Luz.

Whatever the authorities believe in the early days they will be keen to recover the disappeared child as this will yield the greatest clues as to what exactly happened. 

I've holidayed on the Algarve a couple of times but never really ventured inland.  Going by Google satellite it appears one could take an inland route from PDL to Faro (airport) and hit some sparsely populated areas?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #18 on: July 02, 2019, 12:53:50 PM »
The searches carried out by the GNR ~ the emergency services ~ volunteers et al are all well documented.

But as documented by Jose Manuel Oliveira the senior management team had organised in an entirely different way.

These were the guys who were responsible for the direction the investigation into Madeleine's disappearance would be conducted and according to Oliveira who was in that loop of the action they had decided appropriate action within hours.

That action which he outlined had nothing at all to do with promoting the search for Madeleine McCann.  According to Oliveira they had made their decision and started promoting pursuit of that ... not Madeleine ... and the first step in that was his headline of "A Badly Told Story"

The guys doing the physical searching would in my opinion be in ignorance that senior management and their use of the press were ploughing a very different furrow from the one they were.

Is there a link to Oliveira's article?  I seem to remember one has been posted before, but how to find it.

By the way, I don't think they kept in the dark the Major in the GNR who was organising extensive ground searches, do you?
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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #19 on: July 02, 2019, 01:17:32 PM »
Whatever the authorities believe in the early days they will be keen to recover the disappeared child as this will yield the greatest clues as to what exactly happened. 

I've holidayed on the Algarve a couple of times but never really ventured inland.  Going by Google satellite it appears one could take an inland route from PDL to Faro (airport) and hit some sparsely populated areas?

I'm not sure where you are heading with this thought, so I'll try splitting things down.

1.  There are two routes from Luz to Faro.  The older route is the EN125, which runs through a lot of towns and villages.  The newer route is the A22, a motorway which goes through nothing.  The T9 would all have used the motorway on journeys between Luz and Faro.

2.  Portugal is part of the Schengen Zone, which covers most of Europe.  It means you can cross borders without being checked.  So one can drive along the A22 and enter Spain without hinder.  That might take perhaps an hour and a half from Luz, to enter a foreign country with a different police force.

3.  If you are thinking of body concealment or disposal, anyone with knowledge of the terrain around Luz would know how to achieve that with ease.  I now live inland from Luz, on a plot large enough to make MBM disappear, even if a thorough police search was conducted.  There are hundreds or thousands of such plots.

Hopefully I have covered all bases.
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Offline Brietta

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #20 on: July 02, 2019, 01:23:20 PM »
Is there a link to Oliveira's article?  I seem to remember one has been posted before, but how to find it.

By the way, I don't think they kept in the dark the Major in the GNR who was organising extensive ground searches, do you?

https://www.dn.pt/dossiers/sociedade/caso-maddie/noticias/interior/esta-e-uma-historia-muito-mal-contada-977892.html

In my opinion the answer to your second question is ... yes.
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #21 on: July 02, 2019, 01:31:43 PM »
Whether it was proven or not she deserves to be on the list, as does Keith Bennett who we know was murdered by Ian Brady.

Why do we know Keith Bennett was murdered by Ian Brady?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline jassi

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #22 on: July 02, 2019, 01:35:47 PM »
Why do we know Keith Bennett was murdered by Ian Brady?


I'm not sure we do. Brady liked playing mind games .
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline ShiningInLuz

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2019, 01:42:57 PM »
https://www.dn.pt/dossiers/sociedade/caso-maddie/noticias/interior/esta-e-uma-historia-muito-mal-contada-977892.html

In my opinion the answer to your second question is ... yes.

 *&(+(+

I've just read the article (again) and I interpret it as the police taking all reasonable steps to to handle all options.

If you care to start up a new thread, it would be an interesting topic to debate.

But I fear we are dreadfully off-topic here.

Once again  *&(+(+
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #24 on: July 02, 2019, 02:13:54 PM »
Why do we know Keith Bennett was murdered by Ian Brady?

This must have been a difficult question.
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #25 on: July 02, 2019, 02:37:37 PM »
I'm not sure where you are heading with this thought, so I'll try splitting things down.

1.  There are two routes from Luz to Faro.  The older route is the EN125, which runs through a lot of towns and villages.  The newer route is the A22, a motorway which goes through nothing.  The T9 would all have used the motorway on journeys between Luz and Faro.

2.  Portugal is part of the Schengen Zone, which covers most of Europe.  It means you can cross borders without being checked.  So one can drive along the A22 and enter Spain without hinder.  That might take perhaps an hour and a half from Luz, to enter a foreign country with a different police force.

3.  If you are thinking of body concealment or disposal, anyone with knowledge of the terrain around Luz would know how to achieve that with ease.  I now live inland from Luz, on a plot large enough to make MBM disappear, even if a thorough police search was conducted.  There are hundreds or thousands of such plots.

Hopefully I have covered all bases.

Yes, thanks. 

I was just thinking someone with limited knowledge or just looking at a map could say take N125 from PDL, N266, IC1, IP2, N2 and end up at Faro having hit some sparsely populated areas. 

My pet theory is that MM was abducted by someone staying in one of the apartments who could observe what was going on and may have had a hire car and left PDL Thu/Fri  for a return flight from Faro. 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline faithlilly

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #26 on: July 02, 2019, 05:48:46 PM »
Impossible to say really since we have no idea whether the bodies of those undiscovered are concealed or not.  Bodies quickly decompose.   

I tend to think those that are undiscovered have disappeared in places with large areas of uninhabited land and close to water too by way of oceans and seas.

I think it’s hard to make any firm conclusions with the small selection of disappearances you have used.
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #27 on: July 02, 2019, 05:55:24 PM »
Why do we know Keith Bennett was murdered by Ian Brady?
OK, maybe he ran away from home to start a new life,  The fact is, he is still missing. 
Not a handwriting expert.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #28 on: July 02, 2019, 05:58:01 PM »
This must have been a difficult question.
Difficult for whom?  I’m sure it would be difficult for Keith’s family to know that people on the internet were questioning whether or not Ian Brady was involved in his disappearance, but do fill your boots, no skin off my nose.
Not a handwriting expert.

Offline slartibartfast

Re: Disappeared Children - Factors Determining A Find
« Reply #29 on: July 02, 2019, 06:11:17 PM »
Difficult for whom?  I’m sure it would be difficult for Keith’s family to know that people on the internet were questioning whether or not Ian Brady was involved in his disappearance, but do fill your boots, no skin off my nose.

So you won’t/can’t answer the question?
“Reasoning will never make a Man correct an ill Opinion, which by Reasoning he never acquired”.