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Offline misty

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #165 on: July 07, 2019, 11:12:17 PM »
It's puzzling why Keela, the blood dog, was ever taken to Jersey when the investigation was looking for bodies or body parts.
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Offline faithlilly

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #166 on: July 07, 2019, 11:45:09 PM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 07, 2019, 10:15:04 PM
Why did the dog not alert to Gerry’s jacket or trousers, the ones he was photographed since the disappearance, the ones that people hold up as evidence that he was Smithman?

Because he had taken them home on his first visit ? Long trousers and a heavy jacket probably weren’t needed in the hotter weather.
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Offline misty

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #167 on: July 08, 2019, 12:05:12 AM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 07, 2019, 11:45:09 PM
Because he had taken them home on his first visit ? Long trousers and a heavy jacket probably weren’t needed in the hotter weather.

Gerry's first visit back to Rothley was 20/21st May 2007. The picture of him wearing the beige trousers with button trim was not taken until June 2007 afaik. Having looked at all the media photos of Gerry taken between 4th May & 1st June, I cannot find a single one of him wearing those trousers.
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Offline Billy Whizz Fan Club

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #168 on: July 08, 2019, 01:11:41 AM »
Quote from: Davel on July 07, 2019, 10:59:25 PM
Have there ever been any tests to see if Grime unintentionally cues his dogs... Perhaps grime was excited as he knew this was the McCann apartment

You can see Eddie's behaviour change quite clearly - and how could he cue Keela unless he had planted blood himself?
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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #169 on: July 08, 2019, 07:31:38 AM »
Quote from: Faithlilly on July 07, 2019, 11:45:09 PM
Because he had taken them home on his first visit ? Long trousers and a heavy jacket probably weren’t needed in the hotter weather.
And in the meantime neither had come into contact with shirts, t-shirts, underwear and cross contaminated them?
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #170 on: July 08, 2019, 07:54:02 AM »
Quote from: Davel on July 07, 2019, 10:43:41 PM
That is actually s description of grime...

He was just a PC but he developed a unique set of skills and is an expert who has impressed the FBI and who now works in academia too. These other 'experts' may have outranked him in the police, but they seem to have little to offer in civvy street imo.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #171 on: July 08, 2019, 08:06:00 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2019, 07:54:02 AM
He was just a PC but he developed a unique set of skills and is an expert who has impressed the FBI and who now works in academia too. These other 'experts' may have outranked him in the police, but they seem to have little to offer in civvy street imo.

IMO he didnt impress the FBI...he forged a close friendship with Rex Stockham who he worked for. You talk as though the whole of the FBI was in awe of him.

Grime is a dog handler...nothing more. at least he is trying to get some scientific basis for the alerts...something I suggested some time ago and you thought impossible...that imo...shows who has the better understanding.

unfortunately there still does not seem to be any proper research done to validate the alerts
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #172 on: July 08, 2019, 08:09:43 AM »
Quote from: Davel on July 08, 2019, 08:06:00 AM
IMO he didnt impress the FBI...he forged a close friendship with Rex Stockham who he worked for. You talk as though the whole of the FBI was in awe of him.

Grime is a dog handler...nothing more. at least he is trying to get some scientific basis for the alerts...something I suggested some time ago and you thought impossible...that imo...shows who has the better understanding.

unfortunately there still does not seem to be any proper research done to validate the alerts

if my post requires an imo then so does gunits.....tia
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #173 on: July 08, 2019, 08:16:41 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2019, 07:54:02 AM
He was just a PC but he developed a unique set of skills and is an expert who has impressed the FBI and who now works in academia too. These other 'experts' may have outranked him in the police, but they seem to have little to offer in civvy street imo.

do you have a cite for grime developed a unique set of skills...he is  cadver dog handler...there are others..he is not unique
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Offline The General

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #174 on: July 08, 2019, 08:33:09 AM »
Quote from: Davel on July 08, 2019, 08:16:41 AM
do you have a cite for grime developed a unique set of skills...he is  cadver dog handler...there are others..he is not unique
He is when he uses his dogs.
Besides; unique to him.
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Offline G-Unit

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #175 on: July 08, 2019, 08:45:12 AM »
Quote from: Davel on July 08, 2019, 08:06:00 AM
IMO he didnt impress the FBI...he forged a close friendship with Rex Stockham who he worked for. You talk as though the whole of the FBI was in awe of him.

Grime is a dog handler...nothing more. at least he is trying to get some scientific basis for the alerts...something I suggested some time ago and you thought impossible...that imo...shows who has the better understanding.

unfortunately there still does not seem to be any proper research done to validate the alerts

Grime is/was a lot more than a dog handler.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #176 on: July 08, 2019, 08:53:10 AM »
Quote from: G-Unit on July 08, 2019, 08:45:12 AM
Grime is/was a lot more than a dog handler.

Dog handler/trainer... What else
You claim he is now an academic... One white paper that contains nothing new apart from he has now, decided alerts can be corroborated by ANECDOTAL witness statements... How scientific is that and what gives him the right to say that... On what evidence had he made this statement
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #177 on: July 08, 2019, 09:33:39 AM »
Quote from: misty on July 07, 2019, 11:12:17 PM
It's puzzling why Keela, the blood dog, was ever taken to Jersey when the investigation was looking for bodies or body parts.

No it's not.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #178 on: July 08, 2019, 09:36:22 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 07, 2019, 11:02:46 PM
I couldn’t look at it any closer than the forensic team did who concluded it was a bit of cocnut shell.

Cite required - Test results proving it was coconut. Thanks.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Martin Grime's Credentials At The Time OF Entering 5A - Fit For Purpose?
« Reply #179 on: July 08, 2019, 09:39:22 AM »
Quote from: Vertigo Swirl on July 07, 2019, 10:42:33 PM
Were none of Gerry’s clothes included?  If not why not?  How were the clothing items selected?  Based on what logic?

Maybe all his clothes were not there. Remember he went back to England in May.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.
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