Author Topic: Are the statements accurate? Control Risk verses PJ.  (Read 1156 times)

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Offline sadie


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Re: Are the statements accurate? Control Risk verses PJ.
« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2019, 07:21:48 PM »
If the police could not be relied upon to take down the statements properly it seems the right thing to do

Can you imagine the outcry if every suspect was given that privilege? It’s unheard of and “ludicrous” to suggest otherwise.

Offline Davel

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« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2019, 07:28:17 PM »
Can you imagine the outcry if every suspect was given that privilege? It’s unheard of and “ludicrous” to suggest otherwise.

they were witness statements
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« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2019, 07:39:35 PM »
they were witness statements

Witness statements are always taken by the Police in any ongoing criminal investigation. It’s called due process and the the T9 were invited to check them and sign them as confirmation of their accuracy.

Offline Davel

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« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2019, 07:41:39 PM »
Witness statements are always taken by the Police in any ongoing criminal investigation. It’s called due process and the the T9 were invited to check them and sign them as confirmation of their accuracy.

they could not confirm their accuracy...in fact they have made it clear they were not accurate
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

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« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2019, 07:51:45 PM »
they could not confirm their accuracy...in fact they have made it clear they were not accurate

cite   where and when and who made it clear. all of them, some of them, two of them?


Control risks do exactly what they say on  their tins...  Damage limitation. A distaster struck, those responsible have to make sure they are not blamed or blame is directed else where.  It worked brilliantly for the T9, they all walked away from it unscathed.  Madeliene on the other hand... well  she would be clased as 'collateral damage' in the reputation war zone.
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Offline Davel

Re: Are the statements accurate? Control Risk verses PJ.
« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2019, 07:58:14 PM »
cite   where and when and who made it clear. all of them, some of them, two of them?


Control risks do exactly what they say on  their tins...  Damage limitation. A distaster struck, those responsible have to make sure they are not blamed or blame is directed else where.  It worked brilliantly for the T9, they all walked away from it unscathed.  Madeliene on the other hand... well  she would be clased as 'collateral damage' in the reputation war zone.

1.  This report was based upon a timeline analysis (the result of statements made to the PJ and to Control Risk by 5 elements of the T9, by the client support service staff from Mark Warner and from other statements, a text having been compiled for an English analyst) and various chronogrammes of communications elaborated and presented to the British police who were in Portugal in cooperation with the PJ.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/BRIGADE-OF-INFORMATION.htm



then there is kates book  where she advises never to sign a statement in a foreign language
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Re: Are the statements accurate? Control Risk verses PJ.
« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2019, 08:06:27 PM »
Witness statements are always taken by the Police in any ongoing criminal investigation. It’s called due process and the the T9 were invited to check them and sign them as confirmation of their accuracy.
Only trouble is they are written in a language the witnesses couldn't read.
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Offline Miss Taken Identity

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« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2019, 08:12:19 PM »
Only trouble is they are written in a language the witnesses couldn't read.

They were interpretated by an official. May have been supplied  by the foreign office/Embassy
  fact is they signed and another fact is this could have been addressed during their panorama drama showpiece.
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Re: Are the statements accurate? Control Risk verses PJ.
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2019, 08:15:25 PM »
They were interpretated by an official. May have been supplied  by the foreign office/Embassy
  fact is they signed and another fact is this could have been addressed during their panorama drama showpiece.
It would have been up to the producers/editors what was aired on a Panorama program.
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« Reply #70 on: July 17, 2019, 08:20:19 PM »
It would have been up to the producers/editors what was aired on a Panorama program.

You mean stage managed ? hell yeah!  mind you JT and Gerry had a little tiff about who was standing where - oops damn that.

I should have said IF they were serious about doing a reconstruction  to help the investgation in some way for a UK TV and not the police (did they ever mention why not for  the PJ), then why not tell the whole story... well then again trying to recall which version to recall...
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Re: Are the statements accurate? Control Risk verses PJ.
« Reply #71 on: July 17, 2019, 08:46:33 PM »
they could not confirm their accuracy...in fact they have made it clear they were not accurate

Then they should not have signed them as such. The fact is they did. Any criminal investigation has to follow due process. Suspects don’t dictate who takes their statements and they don’t dictate who carries out the investigation. I can’t believe anyone could argue otherwise. That would be “ludicrous”!

Offline Davel

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« Reply #72 on: July 17, 2019, 08:57:41 PM »
Then they should not have signed them as such. The fact is they did. Any criminal investigation has to follow due process. Suspects don’t dictate who takes their statements and they don’t dictate who carries out the investigation. I can’t believe anyone could argue otherwise. That would be “ludicrous”!

They were witnesses... Not suspects
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« Reply #73 on: July 17, 2019, 09:01:26 PM »
They were witnesses... Not suspects

The parents were suspects. The rest of the T9 were witnesses. That is clearly not the point. A criminal investigation follows due legal process. Neither witnesses nor suspects gets to dictate who records their statements and who leads a criminal investigation.

Offline Davel

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« Reply #74 on: July 17, 2019, 09:02:29 PM »
Then they should not have signed them as such. The fact is they did. Any criminal investigation has to follow due process. Suspects don’t dictate who takes their statements and they don’t dictate who carries out the investigation. I can’t believe anyone could argue otherwise. That would be “ludicrous”!

Shall I tell you how it works..... The police investigate... Any member of the public including witnesses or suspects are, free to send to the police any information they wish to... That's how it works
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