If The GNR Search & Rescue Dogs Were Not Tracking MM Who Were They Tracking?

[alphonse]

Holly, you needed a key to close that door. David Payne worked all this out in about five minutes.

[Holly Goodhead]

Holly, you needed a key to close that door. David Payne worked all this out in about five minutes.

I looked into this a lot last week and came to the conclusion it was possible to open from within and close unless the door was double locked from outside.  Can you post up the info from DP?  Thanks.

[alphonse]

It´s in his Rog, I think.

[alphonse]

Reply "Err you needed, yeah once the door was shut, you know you needed the keys to, you know to gain entry err into the apartment. Err I can't remember ...

[alphonse]

That´s obviously not the correct part. I know I read it somewhere but I will go through his statements later until I find it

[Holly Goodhead]

Reply "Err you needed, yeah once the door was shut, you know you needed the keys to, you know to gain entry err into the apartment. Err I can't remember ...

Yes you would need a key to gain entry from outside but once inside (via unlocked patio doors) I believe it was/is possible to exit via the front door shutting it closed behind unless it was double locked from outside which GM doubted was the case.

[jassi]

Yes you would need a key to gain entry from outside but once inside (via unlocked patio doors) I believe it was/is possible to exit via the front door shutting it closed behind unless it was double locked from outside which GM doubted was the case.

I think so too.
Problem is that none of us have tried it with that particular door and so cannot be sure.

[alphonse]

Not according to Matt Oldfield, with a hat tip to Robbity as I just lifted this from another thread:

Matt Oldfield's rogatory explains what David is trying to say.  Matt says "you had to turn it to go in and so it would snip, erm, you couldn't really shut it with the lock on,"
You could not just slam the door shut you had to withdraw the latch bolt and the secondary lock bolt (for want of a better description).
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[The General]

What evidence do you have that MM was dead when she left the apartment?

Where have SY alluded to the above?

Why would the abuser/killer take the risk of carrying out a dead MM via the patio doors?   Why not just leave 5A empty handed?

All valid points.

[alphonse]

Here is a whole thread about the door and the keys

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8979.0

[alphonse]

The reason the perp removed the body is his fear of a DNA sweep. He either lived nearby or worked for a company with links to complex- to give two examples

[jassi]

What evidence do you have that MM was dead when she left the apartment?

Where have SY alluded to the above?

Why would the abuser/killer take the risk of carrying out a dead MM via the patio doors?   Why not just leave 5A empty handed?

A dead Madeleine had to be removed to avoid examination of the body and the cause of death being discovered, - IMO

[Holly Goodhead]

I think so too.
Problem is that none of us have tried it with that particular door and so cannot be sure.

Agreed.  I'm pretty confident we're right on the basis that numerous people closer to the case than we are have suggested exiting the front door which they're unlikely to have done if it wasn't possible!?  The S&R dogs went this route too.  Unless anything new comes to light my theory is entered via unlocked patio doors and exited out of front door with MM closing it behind.

I believe the window/shutter was either 'staged' by KM as she felt a whole gamut of negative emotions about what had been going on ie "childcare arrangements" or the abductor 'staged' it to throw the McCanns and investigators. 

[jassi]

The reason the perp removed the body is his fear of a DNA sweep. He either lived nearby or worked for a company with links to complex- to give two examples

I can see no reason why an intruder should kill Madeleine, and certainly not within the short time period that is claimed was all that was necessary to remove her.

[Holly Goodhead]

A dead Madeleine had to be removed to avoid the cause of death being discovered, - IMO

Yes for those who believe the McCanns covered up some sort of accident.  But for those of us who believe no such thing happened I can't understand why anyone would murder/assault MM in 5A and then remove her body.