If The GNR Search & Rescue Dogs Were Not Tracking MM Who Were They Tracking?

[alphonse]

Well, my theory is he went in to abuse her and she woke. Of course it is only a theory but what can anyone say about this case?  There is not much to go on. I would say if the tracker dogs really did track Maddie with the abductor it does look likely he had a car which would sort of rule Smithman out of the equation , unless of course Smithman parked and was taking her to his nearby house?

[jassi]

Well, my theory is he went in to abuse her and she woke. Of course it is only a theory but what can anyone say about this case?  There is not much to go on. I would say if the tracker dogs really did track Maddie with the abductor it does look likely he had a car which would sort of rule Smithman out of the equation , unless of course Smithman parked and was taking her to his nearby house?

So not a swift in and out before the next check ?

Why not remove her to a 'safer' place and then abuse at leisure ?

[The General]

Well, my theory is he went in to abuse her and she woke. Of course it is only a theory but what can anyone say about this case?  There is not much to go on. I would say if the tracker dogs really did track Maddie with the abductor it does look likely he had a car which would sort of rule Smithman out of the equation , unless of course Smithman parked and was taking her to his nearby house?

Not knowing a great deal about these things, but wasn't it inevitable, in your narrative, that she would wake up?
Additionally, so this opportunist abuser also had a car parked around the corner?

[Holly Goodhead]

The reason the perp removed the body is his fear of a DNA sweep. He either lived nearby or worked for a company with links to complex- to give two examples

As we've seen in other threads we all leave behind a trail of DNA evidence by way of shedding 40,000 skin rafts per minute.  Yuk!  But this is as good as useless for forensic examination so unless someone deposited some identifying substance eg blood, semen then there's little chance of them getting caught via DNA.

I guess it depends on motive.  If the abductor(s) wanted to raise MM as his/her own or sell her on he/she would clearly leave 5A with MM.  If to sexually assault then I think he/she would again remove as he/she would surely be mindful they needed to get away quickly? 

[alphonse]

So not a swift in and out before the next check ?

Why not remove her to a 'safer' place and then abuse at leisure ?

 Yes, I have thought about that a bit. What if the killer did not have a safer place, due to sharing a flat with a workmate or wife.? As I say these are only theories

[alphonse]

Not knowing a great deal about these things, but wasn't it inevitable, in your narrative, that she would wake up?
Additionally, so this opportunist abuser also had a car parked around the corner?

 It is not my belief he had a car as I don´t believe the tracker dogs tracked a live Madeleine post 20.30 on the day, if you follow me. The perp needed a key to get out that door, I feel he didn´t have one. He didn´t need one-- the Mc Canns left the patio doors open and went about talking about it!!

[The General]

It is not my belief he had a car as I don´t believe the tracker dogs tracked a live Madeleine post 20.30 on the day, if you follow me. The perp needed a key to get out that door, I feel he didn´t have one. He didn´t need one-- the Mc Canns left the patio doors open and went about talking about it!!

Pretty sure the front door opens from the inside. If not, the key was apparently left on the table. As you say, the patio door was open.

[G-Unit]

The MET has a long history of corruption, incompetence and wrongdoing.  If I had my way I would offload a lot of them and bring in a diverse mix of people from various industries.  Its simply not necessary to be 'police trained' to solve problems such as the disappearance of MM.  The sorts of skills required can be honed in other industries where individuals are encouraged to use their own initiative, think outside the box and not straitjacketed by working in some extremely bureaucratic and hierarchical organisation.

I agree that the polce aren't perfect; particularly, it seems, the Met. Whether using civilians would work better is unknown, however. The latest questions are about the handling of Operation Midland which has cost them dear in compensation payouts.

[alphonse]

I have a great deal of sympathy towards the police on this one. Context is everything. Post Jimmy Saville there was a feeling the police had been too willing to not look too closely at allegations against well known figures. They probably did see a lot of contradictions in what this guy was saying but who wanted to be on the wrong side of a Jimmy Saville type scandal?

[Holly Goodhead]

Well, my theory is he went in to abuse her and she woke. Of course it is only a theory but what can anyone say about this case?  There is not much to go on. I would say if the tracker dogs really did track Maddie with the abductor it does look likely he had a car which would sort of rule Smithman out of the equation , unless of course Smithman parked and was taking her to his nearby house?

Well I'm thinking of other cases where children have been assaulted/murdered inside properties.  Caroline Dickinson was murdered and left in the dorm she was staying in and sharing with others but she was 13 yoa so more difficult to move.  Alesha MacPhail, 6 yoa, was removed.  Sophie Hook, 7 yoa, was removed.  I think it would depend on the motive and profile of perp and victim.  I'm inclined to think any perp who wanted to assault/murder MM would remove her before doing so.  Can anyone think of any cases where a young girl has been assaulted/murdered in a location where she would be quickly found? 

[Holly Goodhead]

I have a great deal of sympathy towards the police on this one. Context is everything. Post Jimmy Saville there was a feeling the police had been too willing to not look too closely at allegations against well known figures. They probably did see a lot of contradictions in what this guy was saying but who wanted to be on the wrong side of a Jimmy Saville type scandal?

Sorry but I'm not understanding the ref to Savile?  His past only caught up with him post death 2011.

[The General]

Well I'm thinking of other cases where children have been assaulted/murdered inside properties.  Caroline Dickinson was murdered and left in the dorm she was staying in and sharing with others but she was 13 yoa so more difficult to move.  Alesha MacPhail, 6 yoa, was removed.  Sophie Hook, 7 yoa, was removed.  I think it would depend on the motive and profile of perp and victim.  I'm inclined to think any perp who wanted to assault/murder MM would remove her before doing so.  Can anyone think of any cases where a young girl has been assaulted/murdered in a location where she would be quickly found?

Quite a macabre question. Without knowing much about the psychology of such a criminal mind, but we can safely assume that, with these parameters, we are looking at a very specific individual with very specifically depraved proclivities. Just wondering how many of them were mooching about PDL and stumbled upon exactly their prey in an unlocked holiday apartment.

[Holly Goodhead]

Well I'm thinking of other cases where children have been assaulted/murdered inside properties.  Caroline Dickinson was murdered and left in the dorm she was staying in and sharing with others but she was 13 yoa so more difficult to move.  Alesha MacPhail, 6 yoa, was removed.  Sophie Hook, 7 yoa, was removed.  I think it would depend on the motive and profile of perp and victim.  I'm inclined to think any perp who wanted to assault/murder MM would remove her before doing so.  Can anyone think of any cases where a young girl has been assaulted/murdered in a location where she would be quickly found?

The above doesn't make sense.  I was meaning afaik Sophie Hook and Alesha MacPhail were removed before they were assaulted and murdered.  Can anyone think of a case where it is known that the assault/murder took place where the young victim was sleeping and then subsequently removed. 

[alphonse]

Sorry but I'm not understanding the ref to Savile?  His past only caught up with him post death 2011.

 Yes, understood, but Operation Midland was set up in 2014

[Holly Goodhead]

Quite a macabre question. Without knowing much about the psychology of such a criminal mind, but we can safely assume that, with these parameters, we are looking at a very specific individual with very specifically depraved proclivities. Just wondering how many of them were mooching about PDL and stumbled upon exactly their prey in an unlocked holiday apartment.

I do not believe MM's disappearance was at the hands of such a depraved individual.  I'm just trying to understand the thinking of others.