If The GNR Search & Rescue Dogs Were Not Tracking MM Who Were They Tracking?

[Miss Taken Identity]

I do not struggle with it - I, and many others, just do not believe 'abduction' happened as described by the T9.

[Vertigo Swirl]

I do not struggle with it - I, and many others, just do not believe 'abduction' happened as described by the T9.

Bully for you.  Some people here do though, actually. 

[sadie]

Well the other one was "Sniffer dogs scoured the area for any signs of the missing youngster. One dog, after smelling a piece of the child’s clothes, appeared to pick up the scent before it disappeared some 50 yards away outside a local supermarket."

Was that 50 yards from the supermarket?  Just walking around the apartment block that would be 100 yards on its own.  I recall it was 30 meters to the secondary reception entrance from the lane, and 5 meters from the gate to the lane.  It was at least 15 meters to the car park across from the reception.    We are still nowhere near the supermarket.

Approx 115 metres, 5A side gate to Baptista supermarket,  Rob.   A damned sight further from the front door to Baptiistas.

[sadie]

Just to remind those young ones there is 3 feet in a yard and exactly 12 inches in a foot.

Exactly, Rob.



It made me laugh when I read Mistakens post

Quote:

How much is that in feet and inches?  that reporter must be ancient -yards?   it has been metric for  years!

That may have stemmed from other conversations about 'like being in your back Garden' They could see the apartment from where they dined-  sounds great,until it is exposed they could only see the roof.

[sadie]

Supersonic. we had one claim here about Kate only took 30 seconds to get from the apartment to the tapas...
a mere hop skip and jump!

Yep, she likely could do that: certainly well under a minute.   

I am not about to re-calculate it or search for the original post, but I was overly generous to your side of the argment when I did it originally

[Miss Taken Identity]

No, I can offer plenty to people who often reasoned, pleasant discussion without recourse to being rude, facetious and childish...

And you do not recognise these attributes to yourself? Ok. I won't waste time on you.

[barrier]

No, I wasn't but the gardeners had just been cutting the hedges and bushes prior to Madeleines vanishing, so The Tapas groups view would have been as clear of obstructions as ours was.   The majority of phots shown in the earlier days were taken from completely the WRONG spot ... and some weeks after because the bushes had grown considerably.   

Greenery grows amazingly rapidly on the Algarve

Did any one sat at the tapas mention seeing GM at circa 9:05 entering 5a,also leaving 5a a few minutes later,did any one mention seeing Matt enter 5a circa 9:30 or leaving a few minutes later,did any one mention seeing KM entering 5a circa 10pm or leaving 5a in what one would imagine a distress state  a few minutes later if not then the view to 5a is meaningless if no one saw any of the above,if they didn't see that what else could they have missed.

[sadie]

Did any one sat at the tapas mention seeing GM at circa 9:05 entering 5a,also leaving 5a a few minutes later,did any one mention seeing Matt enter 5a circa 9:30 or leaving a few minutes later,did any one mention seeing KM entering 5a circa 10pm or leaving 5a in what one would imagine a distress state  a few minutes later if not then the view to 5a is meaningless if no one saw any of the above,if they didn't see that what else could they have missed.

More to the point is:

Did anyone think it iimportant enough to record on their statements.  The parents went and came back every night.  This happening was like part of the wallpaper to them.



Amaral said that no abductor would go in via the patio doors because it was too closely overlooked by the Tapas group.

[G-Unit]

More to the point is:

Did anyone think it iimportant enough to record on their statements.  The parents went and came back every night.  This happening was like part of the wallpaper to them.



Amaral said that no abductor would go in via the patio doors because it was too closely overlooked by the Tapas group.

HHow about listening to those who were there, unlike you and Amaral?

1578 'And from where you were sat, what was your view like of the apartments''
 Reply 'Erm well yeah I could see, I mean I could see the patio doors of ours and Gerry and Kates'.

1578 'How much of the patio doors''
 Reply 'Erm well kind of the top half really'.

1578 'Okay'.
 Reply "Yeah you know, I didn't get a full you know, you couldn't get a full view sort of right in, cos there were bushes, there were bushes and stuff there, erm'.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

[G-Unit]

No, I wasn't but the gardeners had just been cutting the hedges and bushes prior to Madeleines vanishing, so The Tapas groups view would have been as clear of obstructions as ours was.   The majority of phots shown in the earlier days were taken from completely the WRONG spot ... and some weeks after because the bushes had grown considerably.   

Greenery grows amazingly rapidly on the Algarve



Are you in a muddle?   I didn't write that quote.

I have seen this statement about gardeners trimming hedges and bushes a few times before and have asked for a cite, but to no avail. I have checked the files, particularly the statements by the OC gardeners. I can find no record of anyone working in the area of block 5. Where did your information come from?

[barrier]

More to the point is:

Did anyone think it iimportant enough to record on their statements.  The parents went and came back every night.  This happening was like part of the wallpaper to them.



Amaral said that no abductor would go in via the patio doors because it was too closely overlooked by the Tapas group.

Not interested in what Amaral said,he wasn't there supposedly having a good view of the apartment which no one can confirm by saying they saw all the movements from circa 9:05 pm onwards.

[Brietta]

I have seen this statement about gardeners trimming hedges and bushes a few times before and have asked for a cite, but to no avail. I have checked the files, particularly the statements by the OC gardeners. I can find no record of anyone working in the area of block 5. Where did your information come from?

An expat British gardener quizzed over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has vowed to the Sunday People: “I never saw her.”

The man was working near a Portuguese holiday apartment where the little girl vanished on May 3, 2007, and attracted the attention of police at the time.


Detectives re-examining the case grilled him this month on his whereabouts on the night Madeleine went missing.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-investigators-quiz-british-4678191

[jassi]

An expat British gardener quizzed over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann has vowed to the Sunday People: “I never saw her.”

The man was working near a Portuguese holiday apartment where the little girl vanished on May 3, 2007, and attracted the attention of police at the time.


Detectives re-examining the case grilled him this month on his whereabouts on the night Madeleine went missing.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-investigators-quiz-british-4678191

How near is near ?

Sadie seems to think that 55 yards is just a 'few yards'

[sadie]

HHow about listening to those who were there, unlike you and Amaral?

1578 'And from where you were sat, what was your view like of the apartments''
 Reply 'Erm well yeah I could see, I mean I could see the patio doors of ours and Gerry and Kates'.

1578 'How much of the patio doors''
 Reply 'Erm well kind of the top half really'.

1578 'Okay'.
 Reply "Yeah you know, I didn't get a full you know, you couldn't get a full view sort of right in, cos there were bushes, there were bushes and stuff there, erm'.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RACHAEL-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

And Rachel was petite.  The smallest in the group..


I repeat: that when we were there eating in the Tapas Restaurant, we could see most of the patio windows.   Had someone gone across that patio to the door we would have seen them.  I was 5'8" tall.

Amaral considered that no abductor would have used that route, Via the patio window, to attempt to enter to enter 5A because of the parents and friends closeness.



It interests me:

Why are you so keen for the front door not to have been used, when conditions point to it? 
-  Isolated, no one passed.
-  In a deep recess
-  very dark
-  behind a tallish wall (pathway wall and the even taller wall between the pathway and the road alongside.)
- Easy escape for a fit younger man over the wall into the road below, over the fairly tall wall onto the parking lot and scarper, or hide in the trees, or
-  if he had a key, straight into 5A, close the door and escape via the patio door


Why are you so keen, Gunit, that the front door with all its plus features, was not used?

[Brietta]

How near is near ?

Sadie seems to think that 55 yards is just a 'few yards'

The holiday company were contracted to provide cleaning services to apartment 5A.

Presumably there was a contract with someone to have the gardens tended to ... so pretty near.