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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #390 on: August 05, 2019, 02:37:32 PM »
Yes.

In fact the case is only at an initial stage of having been accepted, but no decision has been made as to whether the case will  proceed to a judicial hearing.

A decision to reject or  advance the case could be announced at any moment.

Is this then the end of the road? 

Is the book still available to purchase?  I read Amaral made 350k from sales?
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline jassi

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #391 on: August 05, 2019, 02:41:15 PM »
Is this then the end of the road? 

Is the book still available to purchase?  I read Amaral made 350k from sales?

There is no appeal against the ECHR decision - as far as I know.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #392 on: August 05, 2019, 02:43:20 PM »
The principle is exactly the same, so please answer the question.

I'm not a libel lawyer but I guess each case is viewed on its merit.  Even lawyers can only give opinions.  The McCanns were no doubt advised of the advantages and disadvantages by Isabel Duarte.  Likewise I guess for who ever advised Amaral and any publishers.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #393 on: August 05, 2019, 02:47:48 PM »
No they don't since no one knows what's factually right and what isn't. 

How do you think so many have produced damning material about the McCanns and got away with it including Amaral?  Amaral and his publishers no doubt took legal advice before they published as did the McCanns when they started litigation.

Why do you think no Publisher in Britain will touch Amaral's book?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #394 on: August 05, 2019, 02:49:59 PM »
I note those who have produced material in a semi-professional way more recently eg Mark SudoKhani with his podcasts state they are not suggesting the McCanns are involved blah, blah and yet produce a load of material that leads listeners with little doubt that this is what he's driving at!? 

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline jassi

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #395 on: August 05, 2019, 02:57:08 PM »
Why do you think no Publisher in Britain will touch Amaral's book?

Probably because they don't wish to risk having to pay money out to an undeserving cause.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #396 on: August 05, 2019, 02:58:41 PM »
Why do you think no Publisher in Britain will touch Amaral's book?

Well it could be they could not be bothered with any litigation along with the fact it probably wouldn't sell that well in UK anyway.  Is it still available?  I understand he made 350k from book sales?  Who distributed it?  Do any break down figs exist?

Remember 'Spycatcher'? 
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Eleanor

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #397 on: August 05, 2019, 02:59:39 PM »
Probably because they don't wish to risk having to pay money out to an undeserving cause.

Who is the undeserving cause?  Amaral in Book Sales or The McCanns in Libel Damages?

Offline jassi

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #398 on: August 05, 2019, 03:02:57 PM »
Who is the undeserving cause?  Amaral in Book Sales or The McCanns in Libel Damages?

The McCanns and their lawyers.
Just my opinion on the matter   ?{)(**
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #399 on: August 05, 2019, 03:08:43 PM »
I'm not a libel lawyer but I guess each case is viewed on its merit.  Even lawyers can only give opinions.  The McCanns were no doubt advised of the advantages and disadvantages by Isabel Duarte.  Likewise I guess for who ever advised Amaral and any publishers.
You cannot accuse someone of a crime they have not been found guilty of in a newspaper in this country without breaking libel laws.  I’m amazed you are unaware of this? 
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline jassi

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #400 on: August 05, 2019, 03:09:51 PM »
You cannot accuse someone of a crime they have not been found guilty of in a newspaper in this country without breaking libel laws.  I’m amazed you are unaware of this?

It only becomes an issue if legal action is taken against you.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Eleanor

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #401 on: August 05, 2019, 03:11:08 PM »
Well it could be they could not be bothered with any litigation along with the fact it probably wouldn't sell that well in UK anyway.  Is it still available?  I understand he made 350k from book sales?  Who distributed it?  Do any break down figs exist?

Remember 'Spycatcher'?

Tony Bennett was left with a very nasty bill after he Libelled The McCanns.

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #402 on: August 05, 2019, 03:13:32 PM »
It only becomes an issue if legal action is taken against you.
Obviously, but the law in this country would be on Spliff’s side against the Sun claiming he was a paedo, every time.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #403 on: August 05, 2019, 03:13:40 PM »
Who is the undeserving cause?  Amaral in Book Sales or The McCanns in Libel Damages?

But why attempt to silence your critics if you've nothing to hide?  Not everyone who read Amaral's book was going to buy into his theories etc.  In fact it may have assisted the McCanns.  Imo nothing good can come out of this litigation.  I think it would be better if they just kept their heads down battling away with the campaign.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Can we judge a person's character by their stance on the case?
« Reply #404 on: August 05, 2019, 03:16:09 PM »
But why attempt to silence your critics if you've nothing to hide?  Not everyone who read Amaral's book was going to buy into his theories etc.  In fact it may have assisted the McCanns.  Imo nothing good can come out of this litigation.  I think it would be better if they just kept their heads down battling away with the campaign.
In hindsight you’re probably right but the McCanns firmly believed that Amaral’s book and subsequent publicity campaignwas instrumental in convincing the Portuguese public that Madeleine was dead and that that was harmful to her prospects of recovery if she were still alive and findable.
"You can't reason with the unreasonable".