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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2019, 10:22:57 PM »
Please refer to the full article provided by Robbitybob1.

does the article tell us

Offline G-Unit

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2019, 10:23:28 PM »
In the Shannon Matthews case the contamination involved second-hand furniture which I've no idea whether pervious or not.

I have no cite, but I have seen a second hand mattress mentioned somewhere.
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2019, 10:31:44 PM »
I have no cite, but I have seen a second hand mattress mentioned somewhere.
This thread reminds me of counterfeit stage mediums... I'm getting the letter P.. Is it Paul.. Peter.. Anyone know a pat that's past over... Lol.

Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2019, 10:34:49 PM »
I have no cite, but I have seen a second hand mattress mentioned somewhere.

I will endevour to contact the relevant authorities to confirm.
Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #64 on: August 08, 2019, 10:35:57 PM »
Transference of Cadaver odour could provide an answer to the thorny problem of post Mortem timing.
Please explain how.
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Offline Robittybob1

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #65 on: August 08, 2019, 11:54:49 PM »
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Offline misty

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #66 on: August 09, 2019, 02:40:28 AM »
Document relating to prosecution's request to deny defendant's request to suppress the canine evidence (filed November 16th 2018.)

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/111618%20PEOPLES%20RESP%20D36A.pdf

Point 12 Cadaver dog Molly & handler Carren Corcoran....this is the same dog & handler which were deployed in the Kelly Dwyer case. The dog's alerts were contested in court & this extract from the news article is relevant to both case:-
https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/10/02/kelly-dwyer-case-cadaver-dog-handler-testifies-zocco-trial/1498006002/

*snipped*

"Corcoran agreed that a bedroom is another spot where human shed is often concentrated.

She also said Molly did not train extensively with residual odor — that is, detecting odors of remains no longer present. Normally, the training involved finding actual human remains. She agreed there is no way to measure a detection dog's error rate, so she couldn't know Molly's.

For the defense, Andre Falco Jimenez, a former law enforcement K-9 handler who now runs a California-based training and consulting company, said use of video during training has revealed how frequently a handler's subtle cues drive a dog's reactions.

He suspected that may have driven Molly's alerts in the Zocco case, since it appeared the dog did not alert on any smells on her initial cursory sniffs but only after some direction.

Jimenez told jurors a dog won't detect evidence of the first phase of human decomposition, which occurs in the first 72 hours, without training on that specific odor. He said it is difficult to obtain such recently deceased bodies for training in the United States, but easier in South America, where his company does much work."

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Even in 2013, the experts could not agree on the validity of residual scent odour detection capability in a trained cadaver dog. Fortunately in both the Redwine & Dwyer cases there was/is other compelling evidence which tends to confirm each accused is guilty.




Offline Robittybob1

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Offline Vertigo Swirl

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #68 on: August 09, 2019, 07:19:12 AM »
Document relating to prosecution's request to deny defendant's request to suppress the canine evidence (filed November 16th 2018.)

https://www.courts.state.co.us/userfiles/file/Court_Probation/06th_Judicial_District/La_Plata/Redwine/111618%20PEOPLES%20RESP%20D36A.pdf

Point 12 Cadaver dog Molly & handler Carren Corcoran....this is the same dog & handler which were deployed in the Kelly Dwyer case. The dog's alerts were contested in court & this extract from the news article is relevant to both case:-
https://eu.jsonline.com/story/news/crime/2018/10/02/kelly-dwyer-case-cadaver-dog-handler-testifies-zocco-trial/1498006002/

*snipped*

"Corcoran agreed that a bedroom is another spot where human shed is often concentrated.

She also said Molly did not train extensively with residual odor — that is, detecting odors of remains no longer present. Normally, the training involved finding actual human remains. She agreed there is no way to measure a detection dog's error rate, so she couldn't know Molly's.

For the defense, Andre Falco Jimenez, a former law enforcement K-9 handler who now runs a California-based training and consulting company, said use of video during training has revealed how frequently a handler's subtle cues drive a dog's reactions.

He suspected that may have driven Molly's alerts in the Zocco case, since it appeared the dog did not alert on any smells on her initial cursory sniffs but only after some direction.

Jimenez told jurors a dog won't detect evidence of the first phase of human decomposition, which occurs in the first 72 hours, without training on that specific odor. He said it is difficult to obtain such recently deceased bodies for training in the United States, but easier in South America, where his company does much work."

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Even in 2013, the experts could not agree on the validity of residual scent odour detection capability in a trained cadaver dog. Fortunately in both the Redwine & Dwyer cases there was/is other compelling evidence which tends to confirm each accused is guilty.
Where is the evidence that Eddie was trained to detect the odour of the very early stages of human decomposition?
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Offline slartibartfast

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #69 on: August 09, 2019, 09:18:48 AM »
In the Shannon Matthews case the contamination involved second-hand furniture which I've no idea whether pervious or not.

Usually
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Offline Holly Goodhead

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #70 on: August 09, 2019, 09:56:33 AM »
Usually

Well there's clearly a huge difference between a mattress and a dining table albeit both might be pervious.  As with all these things the devil will be in the detail.

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Holly Goodhead

Just my opinion of course but Jeremy Bamber is innocent and a couple from UK, unknown to T9, abducted Madeleine McCann - motive unknown.  Was J J murdered as a result of identifying as a goth?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #72 on: August 09, 2019, 10:05:25 AM »
https://news.sky.com/story/sniffer-dogs-can-hinder-police-work-10488976

VRD dogs role is to look for remains. Looking at Grime's white paper in 2005 it looks like he decided to change the rules and make the alerts significant.

Offline barrier

Re: Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs
« Reply #73 on: August 09, 2019, 10:10:18 AM »

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Even in 2013, the experts could not agree on the validity of residual scent odour detection capability in a trained cadaver dog. Fortunately in both the Redwine & Dwyer cases there was/is other compelling evidence which tends to confirm each accused is guilty.

The accused in the Dwyer case was found guilty,its a tad early to call out the accused in the Redwine case having not gone to court yet,innocent before guilty and all that.


Zocco guilty on all counts in Kelly Dwyer homicide, disappearance and strangulation during earlier sex
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