Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs

[Mr Gray]

The same way they evaluate any other evidence.

We on here have considered far more evidence re the alerts and still failed to reach consensus... It will be impossible for a jury to evaluate the evidence imo

[G-Unit]

of course its subjective because their records and testing is not carried out to any standardised norm....its anectdotal...the promised scientific standards dont seem to have arrived

Some are required to meet certain standatds; the FBI dogs, for example. Stockham set those standards, was able to explain what they were, and to testify that the dog used in the Lane case met them consistently. As I said, some dogs can be shown to be reliable. 

[Mr Gray]

Some are required to meet certain standatds; the FBI dogs, for example. Stockham set those standards, was able to explain what they were, and to testify that the dog used in the Lane case met them consistently. As I said, some dogs can be shown to be reliable.

What we're those standards...The dogs are only tested in a very limited way.. So

How long does remnant scent last
How long post mortem can the dogs detect cadaver scent

Just two important questions that as I understand have never been answered

All we have are uncorroborated claims from the dog handlers themselves who may well suffer from confirmation bias. There seems to be no independent testing

[Mr Gray]

So Stockham said he had started science based programme... Nothing about it being implemented or Morse taking part in any blind trials


Before trial, Lane moved to exclude the cadaver dog evidence, contending in part that it was not admissible under MRE 702. At the evidentiary hearing, Stockham testified that he had started a science-based victim recovery dog program for the FBI. The program's protocol called for regular single-and double-blind testing of the dogs throughout their working lives. Stockham's program had three full-time dog handlers in its program, including Grime.

[ShiningInLuz]

The judge can direct the jury to disregard any evidence he chooses

Rubbish!  That would be one instance of a mistrial.

Ooooh. I don't like your tattoos.  Jurors!  Disregard this man's testimony!  Next!

 

A judge is constrained to act as an expert on law, not as an expert on any other topic.

[ShiningInLuz]

of course its subjective because their records and testing is not carried out to any standardised norm....its anectdotal...the promised scientific standards dont seem to have arrived

As the prosecution did not ask to have the dog evidence permitted under scientific standards, you're banging away at another strawman.

[Mr Gray]

As the prosecution did not ask to have the dog evidence permitted under scientific standards, you're banging away at another strawman.

Again I'm talking in general terms and not re any particular trial. My post was in response to gunits and needs to be seen in that context... Posts need to be read in context

[ShiningInLuz]

Again I'm talking in general terms and not re any particular trial. My post was in response to gunits and needs to be seen in that context... Posts need to be read in context

Then perhaps you would be kind enough to take your discussion to one of the myriad dog threads.

This thread is for discussion about the Redwine case.

[Mr Gray]

Rubbish!  That would be one instance of a mistrial.

Ooooh. I don't like your tattoos.  Jurors!  Disregard this man's testimony!  Next!

 

A judge is constrained to act as an expert on law, not as an expert on any other topic.

The accused, who are both 14, cannot be named because they are minors. They have each pleaded not guilty to murdering the 14-year-old Kildare schoolgirl at Glenwood House, Laraghcon, Clonee Road, Lucan on May 14 last year. Boy A is further charged with Ana's aggravated sexual assault in a manner that involved serious violence to her. He has pleaded not guilty to that count also.


Talks between Ireland and Scotland over Rockall dispute could lead to 'satisfactory agreement', says Creed
Continuing his charge this morning, the judge told the jury to disregard what he had told them yesterday in relation to the offence of aggravated sexual assault against Boy A.

[pathfinder73]

So Stockham said he had started science based programme... Nothing about it being implemented or Morse taking part in any blind trials


Before trial, Lane moved to exclude the cadaver dog evidence, contending in part that it was not admissible under MRE 702. At the evidentiary hearing, Stockham testified that he had started a science-based victim recovery dog program for the FBI. The program's protocol called for regular single-and double-blind testing of the dogs throughout their working lives. Stockham's program had three full-time dog handlers in its program, including Grime.

Stockham testified that he had tested Morse and Keela, Grime’s dogs, and that both dogs had accuracy ratings in the high 90 percent range.
http://www.rumschlaglaw.com/rumschlag/2014/11/14/michigan-court-of-appeals-holds-cadaver-dog-evidence-admissible

Director
GSS International
June 2008 – Present 11 years 3 months
Oxford, UK
This is achieved through the analysis of mission training needs, the scientifically supported design of 'proof of concept' training systems, odor discrimination, benchmarking, and the application of blind and double blind proficiency testing.
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/martin-grime-9724a78

[Mr Gray]

Then perhaps you would be kind enough to take your discussion to one of the myriad dog threads.

This thread is for discussion about the Redwine case.

you are no longer a mod...im replying to gunits posts and they are relevant to the redwine case

[Mr Gray]

Stockham testified that he had tested Morse and Keela, Grime’s dogs, and that both dogs had accuracy ratings in the high 90 percent range.
http://www.rumschlaglaw.com/rumschlag/2014/11/14/michigan-court-of-appeals-holds-cadaver-dog-evidence-admissible

Director
GSS International
June 2008 – Present 11 years 3 months
Oxford, UK
This is achieved through the analysis of mission training needs, the scientifically supported design of 'proof of concept' training systems, odor discrimination, benchmarking, and the application of blind and double blind proficiency testing.
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/martin-grime-9724a78

there are no details of these tests

[Mr Gray]

Rubbish!  That would be one instance of a mistrial.

Ooooh. I don't like your tattoos.  Jurors!  Disregard this man's testimony!  Next!

 

A judge is constrained to act as an expert on law, not as an expert on any other topic.

a judge can tell a jury to ignore evidence if he thinks its inadmissible...if he chooses to do so

[pathfinder73]

there are no details of these tests

Contact to find out.

[ShiningInLuz]

The accused, who are both 14, cannot be named because they are minors. They have each pleaded not guilty to murdering the 14-year-old Kildare schoolgirl at Glenwood House, Laraghcon, Clonee Road, Lucan on May 14 last year. Boy A is further charged with Ana's aggravated sexual assault in a manner that involved serious violence to her. He has pleaded not guilty to that count also.


Talks between Ireland and Scotland over Rockall dispute could lead to 'satisfactory agreement', says Creed
Continuing his charge this morning, the judge told the jury to disregard what he had told them yesterday in relation to the offence of aggravated sexual assault against Boy A.

If you have any connection to the Redwine case, this would be a good time to make your presentation.